Edsel is thick in the middle of absolutely wild, mad jumping every time someone approaches him or vice versa. I am trying to politely tell people not to pet, talk to or otherwise acknowledge him while he's leaping 4 feet in the air and they all go right on talking in their squeaky happy voices and saying how it's fine, they don't mind! He's popped some woman's lip open, clawed another woman's leg and chewed on a man's hand and broke the skin. They still carry on and say "it's fine, he's just a puppy." But he's now about 40 lbs of very strong and boisterous puppy that I need to gain control of. I don't know how to get him out and around people, practice mannerly greetings without being flat out rude with these people. I am limited in access to friends or family to practice with and want to start taking him to the river walk during the evenings, but I don't want to wrestle him for an hour and end up shouting at strangers like a lunatic. Help! Lori
Re: Jumping mad! Hi Lori, it's always other people that hinder our training, I am afraid you will have to be firm and ask people to please not stroke Edsel until he has all four feet on the ground as you are training him, when he is calm, then they can give him a treat/stroke. You could also try clicker training there is an article on the Labrador Site that covers a lot of clicker training and jumping up is in there I'm sure? Sorry you've probably already done all of this. Keep going you will get there if other people don't get in the way : x
Re: Jumping mad! I'm with you there Lori. Milly is now 7 months and we are STILL having the same problem. We have mastered it at home with all our family members. But unfortunately I have some friends that come and EVERY time they are here they stir her up and play rough etc. it makes it so hard. I now lock her up when they come just so hopefully one day she will relate her bed to them arriving lol. We have started being a bit ruder and walking away when people won't listen. Not sure that it helps as she has already jumped all over them. I do find holding a special treat under her chin when people pat her works but it has to be a good one and I can't let go until they step away. Sausage, steak and chicken at the very minimum work for this. Hope someone can give you some better ideas.
Re: Jumping mad! Oh Lori, you've got yourself a bundle of Labrador fun there haven't you,don't despair you can get control. Edsel sounds very sociable and friendly ;D which are lovely qualities in your dog but at the moment he's also super excited ....like you say not great as they get bigger and heavier. I think you might have to slow things down a bit and take a few steps back.Is he still jumping up at home?on you?on family members?if so then meeting new people outside his home is going to send him into,the excitement stratosphere.id say start practising keeping 4 paws on the floor at home . Pippa has written some advice here : http://www.thelabradorsite.com/no-more-jumping-up/ Dexter wasn't a terrible jumper but he did do it....I tried a couple of things .... If I had someone at home with me,they opened the door to the guest and I kept Dexter in the lounge area with me with a clicker and treats.....this gave time to brief the guest that they were to approach Dexter slowly ( we actually told most people to ignore him to be honest....)and if he jumped up,as they got closer they were to turn their back on him and ignore him,I would use c&t for him keeping paws on the floor as they approached. I just couldn't do this properly if I was on my own so I had to take the opportunity away from him and put him behind his gate while I opened the door.....once the guest was in and settled ,and briefed : I'd have my clicker and we'd go,from there. I'm lucky in that there is a fair bit of traffic through my house so I had opportunities to practice but ,goodness me,( and I'm smiling when I write this) your teaching aides ie your visitors can really stuff you up and there's nothing you can do about it really : Whilst I was dealing with this inside ......there was a period of time where I would tell people not to approach Dexter when we were outside on the lead......most people listened but some did not,again you can't always control that element of your training.of people ignored me,I walked on to take the opportunity away from Dexter.really what im saying is try some of the techniques and advice you will get and do just your best with practice,opportunities you get because it will stop but this is something that can be tricky because people you meet can sabotage you a bit.....for me,that didn't stop me being able to solve this ( maybe it took a bit longer?) ....you will still succeed if you work at it as much as you can. My boy is 22 months old now.....I'm the only person he jumps up on now,I've never stopped it because I don't mind ;D and whilst strong he's only quite small,but ive noticed recently he isn't doing it as much as he did .....bizarrely that makes me a bit sad ;D) Do your best with the assistants you can muster,and outside if people don't cooperate,move yourself along from them to take the opportunity away,it won't be forever if you take steps now. Good luck,I know my advice is a bit muddled but I am feeling my through with my first dog ;D
Re: Jumping mad! My friend's dog, Zaba, was like that - if on lead and someone approached he jumped all four paws off the ground, he was so excited. You will be glad to hear he grew out of it! It's my friend's first ever dog, but she's not a worrier - she just laughed when he did it, never tried to stop him and - hey presto - he grew out of it. She had this approach with many of his behaviours. The dog is her husband's but she does all the care as he works full time. She hardly ever worries about his behaviour and puts it all down to him 'being a dog'. Interestingly, he is a fine well behaved young man now (15 months). Gives me pause for thought! I analyse every nuance of Tatze's day :
Re: Jumping mad! I do think Mags has a point (not that my boy has "grown out" of much : ) - I think a fair few undesirable behaviours are caused by puppy curiosity and excitability and so might be easier to manage as they grow up (I hope anyway). I had to stop my boy jumping up (he was injured for a time). In terms of people outside the house, you could just work on "sit and don't approach" for now. I have a few standard things I say. "Please don't call him to you, today we're learning we don't always get to say hello." "Please ignore him we are learning not to be bouncy - no, it does matter to me" And so on. People will, surprisingly I find, ignore you and do what they want with your dog. In which case you have to practice your dog doing what you say, not what strangers say (and people may be offended when you prevent your dog running to them). It helps to work on your dog staying in a sit with other distractions first (exciting new people, squeaking hello are challenging). In an emergency, you can stand on his lead so it hangs straight down and prevents his head coming up to jump. Be careful with this though, your dog can end up in a heap on the floor if he has too much lead so he can do a half jump and is then stopped. I did this first by sitting on the kitchen floor to control a very short lead, which is effective if somewhat extreme. : If you can get people to help, this is what I did with a clicker: [quote author=JulieT link=topic=3762.msg42744#msg42744 date=1387803984] I struggled with the no jumping up thing. Using a clicker did help. I'd get people to stand stock still and I'd click and treat - rapidly, for quite a while, for paws on the ground. It worked, but not completely. It worked mainly on the people I'd trained on. Which wasn't unhelpful. My cleaner, for example, is now safe. He would still jump up time to time though. Not a lot. It tended to be at people who he found exciting. One of my friends used to make a big fuss of him, and he'd jump up at her. The dog walker - because she meant a run out etc. Now, I must stop him jumping up - he is going to have an operation on his back leg and jumping up would be really, really bad after the operation. So I do this: I have a lead on Charlie, and I'm stood at the back of the kitchen. Exciting person comes in front door, I C&T for Charlie keeping his feet still. If he moves, I say "no, no" (so the person can hear he has moved) and person goes back out of the door. Then person comes into sight. C&T for feet still. Person takes one step, C&T for feet still. If Charlie moves his feet, person takes a step back. etc. etc. Until the person walks right up to Charlie, and pretends to have a conversation with me. And so on. It took 3 goes for the dog walker to be able to walk up to him without him moving, and another 3 for the exciting friend, and just 2 for my dad. I'm roping everyone in now. And no-one, no-one at all, gets to him without this routine. Next week, I'll try to do it with him off lead, but behind a barrier and then progress until I can say "sit" and he won't move as people walk up to him. [/quote]
Re: Jumping mad! If, as he jumps up at people, despite your best efforts and they say 'it's ok' just say 'he has mange, so I shouldn't touch him' - should work like magic and they will leap away from him
Re: Jumping mad! www.friendlydogcollars.com They sell collars and leads with friendly, nervous, do not feed, in training etc on. The collars are £9.99. They are wide,bright colour coded and seem easy to read. Trouble is some people will probably still ignore it. Like Julie says it's amazing how many people I'll ignore you nd stroke your dog anyway. Despit the fact my dogs are barking at them like crazy these people are convinced they can get my dogs to like them. :
Re: Jumping mad! We have the same problem, mainly when people come to visit. Every time he jumps he's goes in kitchen for time out. The improvement has been very very good. For when you are out its very hard to control other people and your dog, I'm sure there are many techniques on the forum for helping with this problem. Good luck
Re: Jumping mad! The drawback of putting the dog in the kitchen when visitors arrive is that you are not addressing the problem. You will ALWAYS need to put your dog in the kitchen when visitors arrive. I fell into that trap with my last dog, which is why I am working desperately hard on this with Molly.
Re: Jumping mad! We don't put him in the kitchen when visitors arrive. He is told to give space to guest then allowed to say hello as long as he is calm. As soon as he jumps up or gets over excited he goes into the kitchen for 5 mins and then allowed back out to mingle with us. I'm having success with this method, Dog is much calmer around people.
Re: Jumping mad! Thanks all for the tips, support and understanding! Think I was just at the end of my rope with it. I did take Edsel into town this morning. We stopped by a friend's business where I knew I could gain his and his employees cooperation and worked with c&t for sitting to be petted. He had several good moments there. We then went for a walk through the park along the river and worked at sitting quietly while people approached and passed, again with c&t. I know he is very bright, picks up quickly and this will resolve with consistent work. Feeling much better about it today. He is so social, not one bit of apprehension or anxiety with anything which is both a blessing and a challenge! [quote author=Stacia link=topic=6963.msg94840#msg94840 date=1405327545] If, as he jumps up at people, despite your best efforts and they say 'it's ok' just say 'he has mange, so I shouldn't touch him' - should work like magic and they will leap away from him [/quote] And I quite like this idea if all else fails!! Lol ;D ;D
Re: Jumping mad! Max used to be the same but I now get him into a sit whilst people walk past or we walk further enough away so that if he were to jump he couldn't touch anyone. In my area I've found a lot of people are scared of Max and they're sure to let me know about it which often leads in me biting my lip or sometimes I speak up especially when they use threatening behaviour. In the UK I saw that if a dog jumps up its classed as being "out of control". Anyways the sit before greet often works as long as people dont put the arm out to stroke him other he wants to play and sticks his bum in the air and leaps around! They have to wait for him to calmy approach them. Im not sure if im suppose to do that but it has lead to less confrontations with humans
Re: Jumping mad! Snowie knows his best behaviour is to sit. It is really cute: when people arrive he will be sitting wagging his tail furiously, and then I point this out to the whoever is there and praise him a lot and ask them also to tell him he's a good boy. But it wasn't always this way. He is now 2.5 years old. When he was a puppy he could knock over an unsuspecting person with his exuberance to greet. We kept him on a lead every time someone came to visit so that we could control his jumping. We never said, "Don't jump." We just gave him something better to do when he met someone, which in this case was to sit. I must admit that he is not perfect and he does jump up onto some people who he is incredibly excited to see, like my young nephew, and in these cases we know to keep the leash on and instruct him to sit when he sees them (with lots of praise when he sits). He does jump up when I come home from work, and I do like it so I never tell him not to jump on me. But he doesn't bang into me and knock me over; he keeps his weight on his back legs and I appreciate his excitement to see me. I also dance around the kitchen with him from time to time (acting the fool!), and he knows when I go "Hup!" then he should jump up -- and again, he keeps his weight on his own legs. Interestingly, when my elderly mother comes to visit, he races down the garden path to greet her and never jumps up on her. She puts it down to her lifting her knee the first time he jumped up on her and she stuck her knee into his chest. We put it down to his knowing she is old and not as strong as us. Who knows! I wouldn't suggest anyone else sticks their knee into our dog's chest, I just don't like that they could hurt him. I related to what an earlier poster said about bizarrely missing the jumping. It's our puppies growing older!
Re: Jumping mad! [quote author=Stacia link=topic=6963.msg94840#msg94840 date=1405327545] If, as he jumps up at people, despite your best efforts and they say 'it's ok' just say 'he has mange, so I shouldn't touch him' - should work like magic and they will leap away from him [/quote] Oh that's brilliant Stacia!
Re: Jumping mad! I am probably sending him mixed signals sometimes! I don't want him to jump "on" people, but honestly when he is jumping through the house for joy about food, treats or playing he is so happy and cute I can't help but laugh sometimes. I honestly thought he was going to jump straight up onto the kitchen counter today while waiting for me to grab a treat! He's quite the impressive leaper! Lori
