Re: Whining Late to this one so I may be of no use at all We have a bit of a whiner in our little training group and it's almost all associated with frustration and excitement but also I think the dog in question gets into a groove and almost doesn't realise he's doing it. If you break his focus on whatever's causing the whine he kind of goes 'oh was that me? Sorry where were we?' Sometimes he gets walked away, sometimes he gets a glove flapped over his nose(my eyebrows went up but he's really not being hit - still not sure I'd employ this option though). Good luck, have you tried both your trainers or just the Hampshire one? Would a non-gundog trainer be any use as it's not necessarily a gundog problem? You've worked wonders, if it can be cracked you'll do it
Re: Whining Thanks, Barbara, I hope to find a way to head it off. OH and I are on the same page with this one, so hope it helps. I'm clinging on to it being excitement/frustration based, and there is a lot I can do about that. Not least getting this dog off lead and well exercised (counting the days....). [quote author=bbrown link=topic=5421.msg68444#msg68444 date=1397596883] Good luck, have you tried both your trainers or just the Hampshire one? Would a non-gundog trainer be any use as it's not necessarily a gundog problem? You've worked wonders, if it can be cracked you'll do it [/quote] Tried a 3rd gundog trainer today. Love both gundog trainers, and the London pet trainer, but didn't think they are right for the considered, intelligent, approach I need now (that is not being negative, but I do feel put in the "oh, she'll not have a clue how to get him to walk on a lead" box sometimes - and I'm way passed that now).
Re: Whining It almost sounds like you want an intellectual approach to this, would a behaviourist help? Someone who's really into how dogs minds work......
Re: Whining My Charlie whines whenever I stop to talk to anyone, at other dogs, infact when he is not constantly on the go : I just say "sshhh" sometimes it works :
Re: Whining [quote author=bbrown link=topic=5421.msg68458#msg68458 date=1397598649] It almost sounds like you want an intellectual approach to this, would a behaviourist help? Someone who's really into how dogs minds work...... [/quote] Yes, I think so. Now to find that person.... :-\
Re: Whining [quote author=JulieT link=topic=5421.msg68467#msg68467 date=1397599743] [quote author=bbrown link=topic=5421.msg68458#msg68458 date=1397598649] It almost sounds like you want an intellectual approach to this, would a behaviourist help? Someone who's really into how dogs minds work...... [/quote] Yes, I think so. Now to find that person.... :-\ [/quote] Good luck ;D Or do I see a new career looming.....a gap in the market
Re: Whining One thing there isn't a shortage of is Behaviourists who charge an absolute fortune Hope you find a good one Julie
Re: Whining [quote author=bbrown link=topic=5421.msg68470#msg68470 date=1397600250] .....a gap in the market [/quote] Well, I do think there might be a shortage of people who put a lot of thought into planning individual lessons, and thinking very hard about what's needed...to be fair, I doubt that kind of effort fits in the £30/£40 a hour typical expectations we have of dog trainers (I'm sure they have bills to pay like the rest of us...). Hmmm.....will see what a search brings up tomorrow...
Re: Whining Been working on this. The main focus has been the car, where we had whining the most. We've had 8 trips to a walk area by car now without whining (16 journeys, there and back). But all of these have involved me sat on the back seat with OH driving. At some point i've got to move to the front seat (so I can drive), and I'm not sure how to do that, as my presence on the back seat (even without treat delivery) seems to be the thing that stops the whining. But we are thinking we might need 100+ silent journeys before we risk it. Wish we could think of a half way... Alarmingly, today we had a single bark when he was in his pen and didn't want to be - we both froze, for a full 10 minutes, before he saw either of us.... Still hoping to head off this potential noise problem...
Re: Whining [quote author=JulieT link=topic=5421.msg69459#msg69459 date=1397944180] Alarmingly, today we had a single bark when he was in his pen and didn't want to be - we both froze, for a full 10 minutes, before he saw either of us.... [/quote] Blimey I bet you couldn't believe it was Charlie,the dog that never barks! I can't help you much at all Julie sorry as I've already shared the extent of my experience .....this has made me remember a period of time when we had visitors with small children staying with us last year ....it was too much to ask for Dexter to have free run in the garden with us at that stage all the time.....tooooooo exciting....too many bright plastic toys to grab and chew ;D when I couldn't supervise him he was put inside in his room ( he could see and hear us) with a kong ......when the kong was finished he'd have a bark to let me know he was ready to come back out again! Er not so Dexter!Most times,Quiet,Lie Down worked.....if it didn't......Hed get ignored and I shut the door on him :-[ ( breaking my heart in the same action!i absolutely hate shutting him away from us :'()but he'd lie down and go to sleep.as I say ,nothing to really help you there at all but it was something I didn't want him to do and I managed to stop it before it became a habit so I know you will crack it. He's grand now,out with us all the time ,whatever is going on in the pool,he will have a nose at,then do his own thing before he settles down on his bed in the shade ,love that! X
Re: Whining Thanks Angela, being on top of before a habit forms is sensible, I think. No more barking or whining today, which is good!
Re: Whining Thats good Julie Sam used to whine when he was younger, just sheer enthusiasm /excitement . I did the " quiet " command too , plus refused to let him off lead until he stopped . This, coupled with " growing up " seemed to do the trick
Re: Whining Hi Julie. Remember when we were discussing excitement etc and I said charlie would start to calm down naturally after three years, probably . Well I'm afraid barking can come with age aswell. :-\. All labs of mine have barked from day one but I know of two, both chocs, who didn't start barking until 12 to 18 months old. The way I've always delt with attention barking is to ignore it. Ive never gone to an attention barking dog unil it's quiet. That's asking or trouble. You learn the difference between attention seeking barks and warning barks.
Re: Whining Thanks Jen. Yes, Charlie might turn out to be a barker - if he does, I think it'll be my fault though so feel I should try to not have him bark. His mum, grandmum, uncle and sister have yet to bark (I don't know about his Dad).I'm now at 6 barks in a year!
Re: Whining Hopefully he will take after them. A Labrador bark can be quite a good deterrent though. On the farm gate at the top of the drive we have a caution loose dogs sign which happens to have the silhouette of an alsations head. My dogs pen is the other side of the hedge to the farm gate and if somebody pulls up at it they bark. A number of times people have rung to check its ok to get out of the car and quite often don't sound convinced when told yes. Of course we forget to mention it's two Labradors and not two alsations.
Re: Whining [quote author=Jen link=topic=5421.msg69571#msg69571 date=1397997030] Of course we forget to mention it's two Labradors and not two alsations. [/quote] ;D ;D ;D I like your style! My neighbours in Wimbledon are probably a bit closer than yours!
Re: Whining Well, this might be a completely useless reply, but.... ...have you tried completely ignoring the whining?? No one in back seat, no treats, no nothing?? I say this because we had a bit of a whining problem with Simba when we first got him, he really didn't like being in the back of the van behind the seats, away from us. I think he got a lot of being "shut in" as a pup, poor boy, so these kinds of situations aren't great for him. But, basically we have ignored the noise and I have found that it has diminished, to where we hardly get any now, and most of it is in the first few minutes. I think this has to do with our ignoring it as well as maturity. I guess I was taking the same approach as I would to whining/barking in the crate to get out, ie ignore it and eventually it will disappear. I dunno, just a suggestion.
Re: Whining I think that's a good suggestion and one we definitely follow when there is no obvious "trigger". Otherwise we are avoiding the triggers and distracting him (before he whines, not after). We've hit the whining in the car hard with rewards for silence though, and it seems to have worked. We're up to 35 whine free journeys, and I couldn't go yesterday and he still didn't whine.
