Defra consultation: Electric training collars for cats and dogs

One day left deadline 27th April to complete the Defra consultation:

https://consult.defra.gov.uk/animal...ing-collars-cats-and-dogs/consultation/intro/

Your thoughts count!

 

Done it

 

Done. I can't believe this is dragging out so much

 

Apparently Mr hokkie cokkie Gove is backpedaling now too.

 

Oh no, what’s he saying now?

 

Don't know oh said he saw some hadlnes on one of the papers I was going to check it out later

 

Gove had indicated that the ban on shock collars may not go ahead as he is worried about the impact on cats and road deaths? Clearly not enough votes in it to interest him

 

It looks like the shock collar fence systems may stay.

 

What?! People put shock collars on cats?!

 

Madness I know but they do.

 

Ive just googled and found this:
https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...-gove-ditches-ban-electric-shock-collars-pets

Gove - yuk! Steve Redgrave - Blurgh!

let’s hope the use of ecollars as training devices is banned at least.

I have to say I’ve never in real life seen anyone using one. I think I’m lucky (and the local dogs are lucky) in that most people I see seem to take care of their dogs and train them at least in basic behaviours using rewards.

 

"It has confirmed what academic evidence has shown — just how important they are in protecting pets from road traffic accidents."

What a load of tosh. Supervise your bloody pets. Contain them with physical boundaries and/or tethers if there's a danger and you can't supervise them - although you'd still need to explain to me why you can't. It's not that difficult, people. If you can't do that, you shouldn't have them.

 

Sadly I have and them nasty prone collars too.one "trainer" actually advocated them but I never went their again. She said there are some situations were nothing else works.? Now I know better than that.

 

It's just silly i agree they need to ask people who work with animals not people who should stick to rowing. If I needed info on rowing would respect his opinion but he clearly know Bob all about animals. And Gove is know for his unreliability. I hope this thing will run a bit more.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...-live-Morning-toying-electric-dog-collar.html

Thank you Phillip for highlighting the pain these things actually cause!

 

Perhaps the answer is to put one on Mr Gove. Every time he leaves his office he should get electrocuted. We take it off when he presents the legislation to Parliament.

 

I wish people who complain about e-collars actually tried one. No responsible trainer would ever shock a dog like the person in the video. Used properly it is probably less adverse than a conventional flat collar on a leash. It just needs to be enough that the dog notices it, not that it hurts. All of the instructions say that if the dog vocalizes or reacts sharply it is too much.

 

I live in pain, every single day I'm in pain I find the idea of inflicting pain even if it's just so it's "noticed" immoral. What right does anyone have to do that to a living creature. I wear a tens machine often so am used to mild electric shocks on a daily basis and unless you choose to do it I wouldn't recommend it.

 

Pardon? How?

 

We all know how stoic our dogs are, that they can be in incredible pain and not vocalise or show any sign of it. Us trying to judge what is painful or not through the way a dog acts is not realistic. Nope, far better to - uh - not actually try and inflict pain on our dogs, don’t you think?