Does this pup have show potential?

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  1. cdwarrior

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    I have never shown a dog before. I'm considering doing it with this pup mainly for fun. I don't have the time, money, or experience to do it at a serious level. I also think this pup may have a couple issues that may prevent her from serious shows anyway. I think her conformation is nice enough. Here she is at about 16 weeks old:

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    But her "issues" are that she has a tiny mismark. Just a few black hairs on her throat. You can barely see a tiny black dot along the folds there.

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    I'm not sure how much of a mismark is disqualifying and if that's true for shows at all levels or only high-end shows like AKC shows.

    She is also replacing her straight baby fur for wavy adult fur now at almost 19 weeks old. This is only happening on her back but it's quite a bit of wave!

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    Not sure if her adult fur is just replacing her baby fur at an uneven rate and will eventually even out or if this is the way she's going to be. I also don't know if wavy fur is acceptable in the breed standard or if this is considered an "undesirable" trait and she'd be docked points, or even disqualified, for it.

    I realize I'm speaking to a mostly UK membership here and I'm in the US but I figured standards are similar and there are probably some other US folks lurking about here. :)
     
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  2. snowbunny

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    She looks like a lovely puppy to me. Her top line doesn't appear to be the straightest, but that's very common with puppies as they grow, they get bum-high. It would be more helpful to get a proper stacked shot to see her conformation. Have you worked on her stand and on her trot? The Puppy Culture videos are useful; they show how it's taught in a positive way from tiny puppies, but the same applies to older pups, too.

    A few hairs here and there wouldn't make much of a difference - I doubt the judges would even notice that on her (I can barely see it, even with it pointed out!).
    A slight wave is permissible, although I don't know what "slight" means, I'm afraid. You'd be best going along to a ring craft lesson or two and asking there. At ring craft, you'll have the opportunity to get her standing and moving around other dogs in a similar sort of environment to a show. As we know, our Lab puppies can be a bit bonkers, so this is a really useful thing to do with them if you have the chance. Just try to remember it's supposed to be fun for you and your puppy. I was saddened by some of the harsh treatment of pups at the ring craft I went to; you want your puppy to be happy (this is important to the judges) so using leash corrections and telling them off is counter-productive.

    I only had the opportunity to have two ring craft sessions then had several months without anything before my first show. I found that Squidge lost her mind in the hall (there were over 600 dogs in the show!) and I was ready to pull her entry, but as soon as I put her show lead on, she was all business and just knew what to do. So I'd suggest using her show lead for training show stuff only so she builds the association early. Keep us posted!
     
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    She’s got a nice head and good feet. To really tell what her conformation is we’d need a full body side shot with her standing properly. All dogs have faults - there are no perfect ones. I wouldn’t worry too much about the wave or even the black spot. Are her teeth all even?

    Why not give showing a whirl? She’s a nice dog - no-one is going to laugh you out of the ring! You’ll have to do some training to get her standing well and used to being handled by a judge etc, and to teach her to run beside you round a ring. You’d learn a lot and have some fun too. :)
     
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    Yes, teeth are an important thing. Luna is missing a premolar each side; it's not an issue in the UK but more so in Spain.
     
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    She is beautiful. Sorry I know nothing about showing, mine are from working stock. Give a go you have noting to lose.
     
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    She's a lovely girl and personally I think the waves are rather fabulous. :)

    I know nothing about showing, but it seems like if you approached it as a fun activity vs. 'must win', it would be a great socialisation experience for your girl and something fun for you to do together. Why not give it a go?
     
  7. cdwarrior

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    Yeah, that was a few weeks ago. Here she is today, a bit straighter along the top.

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    That's a better pic. Nicely put together pup. Absolutely no reason why you should not give showing a go.
     
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    Is she from a show kennel? I know many breeders mentor the owners of show potential pups that would like to show. I mean their own pups they have sold. In fact I think generally the keeper is usually reserved by the breeder or let go to a friend who shows. There is probably a local Lab club you could join and get help from. You could likely have an evaluation done and even it it is not favourable ( I am not saying it would be, no idea) pups can change as they mature.

    I think wave is not as big a concern in the U.S. as it is in Canada. Here, all else being equal, a wavy coat should point lower than a straight coat. Of course when are all other things ever equal?
     
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    I know nothing of showing, neither do I have any interest in it. However, your youngster looks like a gorgeous lab to me, little beauty.
     
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    She is a beauty, that's for sure!
     
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    Pretty girl for sure.
     
  13. cdwarrior

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    Well, I found out the AKC does not allow spayed/neutered dogs to participate in conformation shows. I think that's ridiculous. Aren't we supposed to be encouraging everyone to reduce the pet population by spaying and neutering? What does outside conformation have to do with whether their insides are intact? I don't plan on breeding her so I don't want to put her, or us, through the stress of heat cycles, and the risk of things like breast cancer. Not only that but, if not spayed, she can't dog parks, doggy daycare, some training classes, etc. Not worth it. So, no showing for her, apparently. :( Really stupid AKC rule, imo.
     

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