New pup arriving to clicker train or not GSP

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  1. TeamGSP

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    Ok after all my kind welcomes to the world of the Labrador forum, here is my first post and I hope to get some good advice. I have trained my previous two GSP in traditional methods using praise and aversives mostly advised by other GSP owners and training books. I first came across pippa and her methods in the total recall book and it all seemed to make sense to me.

    When you consider I work my dogs out to 200yds then recall is stupidly important to me.

    Firstly what I do with my dogs. My dogs hunt for me and my gun and in front of several other guns due to how well the dogs range. My dogs hunt, point and retrieve feather and fur and are also my best friends and companions. They live outside in kennels and runs and come into the house after hard days work in the field.

    So here goes, new pup arrives in 7 weeks its life will be to the ultimate goal of my dogs above. Its a slow process 2 years at least until my dog enters the shooting field but what I want to know is should I Clicker train this dog ?

    How does it transfer from training field to shooting field ?

    And a sneaky question as mention in my introduction thread, when in clicker training does the dog learn its name ? Is there a risk of associating a dogs name with an action we are trying to reinforce rather than a command.

    I use a whistle and hand signals for my commands.
     
  2. heidrun

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    I have clicker trained two out of my four spaniels to quite a decent working standard. It was and still is a bit of a learning curve though. I would say read as much as you possibly can about clicker training before the pup arrives in the new year. There is a book specifically for crossover trainers called The Thinking Dog - Crossover to Clicker Training by Gail Fisher.
    It can be done, and even though I don't find clicker training easier than traditional methods it is definitely more fun for dog and handler. I would lie though if I said that I never use any aversives, I will give a verbal reprimand if and when necessary and strictly speaking that is not allowed in pure reward based training.
    Clicker training the basics like sit, recall and stop whistle is pretty straight forward. I don't really know enough about the training of HPRs to comment on how clicker training transfers into the field once you get on to game with a pointer and the dog is 200 yards away from you. That is not a problem I have to face with my spaniels.
     
  3. TeamGSP

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    Re: New pup arriving to clicker train or not GSP

    Can you mix clicker training for obedience and then use my other methods for live bird training etc.

    I assume that training a dog to sit to flush can be quite successful with clicker training ?

    Control at distance isnt a massive issue as believe it or not we dont need much control once they know how to hunt other than the stop and turn whistle and of course recall
     
  4. pippa@labforumHQ

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    Re: New pup arriving to clicker train or not GSP

    Like Heidrun, I use clicker training as an addition to my toolbox, rather than following it 'evangelically'. If that makes sense :) So, what I ask myself is not 'can I clicker train this dog' but 'what is the best way to train this particular skill".

    More and more I find myself using positive reinforcement training (which depends on event markers but not necessarily on the clicker)

    However, there are some skills that I have not yet personally mastered without aversives

    This is one area where I still use some traditional methods. I have never trained a sit to flush without some degree of correction. However, I believe it can be done without aversives. Helen Phillips who is a 'real' clicker trainer, and works a team of Viszlas, is the person to talk to about this. I may see if I can get her to join the forum.
     
  5. TeamGSP

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    I have heard of Helen Phillips gundog clicker training book, I already have yours on recall pippa and your ebooks so I might have a look at Helens work.

    It would be amazing if you could get Helen to sign up. I'm going to video my progress and put it up for comment and criticism as I go. I may still just use the word good as my reward marker but then I know that tone and emotion can change the sound to the dog. So I will have to think about that.

    I certainly think obedience training and crate training will be clicker trained. Heel and recall will also be attempted although game scent and the excitement of the hunt means that my proofing process needs to be rock solid.

    I'm still very excited that I can start training so early and socialisation training so early. Traditionally I would have waited months and months before introducing anything.
     
  6. Jen

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    Re: New pup arriving to clicker train or not GSP

    Hi welcome to the forum I missed your introduction sorry.

    I've just been on amazon to look for Helen Philips gundog clicker training book after reading your posts.

    I haven't been clicker training long but would like to know how to train gundogs with the clicker in more detail now I'm getting the hang of it. ::)

    On amazon they only have clicker gundog level 3. Is there a level 1 and 2 or will 3 be ok

    I look forward to reading the progress of your new pup. By the way I have two black labs.

    Jen :D
     
  7. pippa@labforumHQ

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    I have Helen's book and it is good, but, it is not really for clicker beginners, and starts at a more advanced level. The level 3 refers to the Learning About Dogs clicker course levels I think. So it might be a good idea to start with LAD books 1 and 2 before working through Helen's book. I am sure you would still find it interesting though. :)
     
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    Re: New pup arriving to clicker train or not GSP

    Thank you Pippa will have a look for those.
     
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    Re: New pup arriving to clicker train or not GSP

    [quote author=Stacia link=topic=3607.msg41783#msg41783 date=1387312075]
    Have just seen these, clicker training a GSP puppy to hunt, heel, retrieve etc. Hope they might be interesting for you.


    http://www.youtube.com/user/willowcreekkennels?feature=watch
    [/quote]

    Thanks Stacia plenty to watch there !
     

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