So this is what is happening, I feed otis when I get up about eight, and put down a full bowl of water, then its straight in the garden where he does a wee and poo, no problem, its like clockwork. I then put him out again at 10 ish, again about 2, and there are no accidents in the house till this point, he is fed again at 5, (although changing this till 4, hate going in the garden in the dark) and its straight out again and he wees, and usualy but not always does a poo, ( oh he does a poo midday too ) its then the problems begin, he tanks up on water when he comes back in after the five o clock feed, and then does a seris of short little wees on the rug ( say 2-5) . If I was to just leave him he would wee and poo all the time indoors, does this mean that he isnt house trained cos he cant hold it ? He has a walk at 3, for roughly 40 mins. Im going to take the rug back up again, because it does seem to have made the weeing a bit worse. So how many times should I take him out at night ? It really does worry me because he is eight and a half months now, I wonder if he will ever get house trained ! Will he be able to hold on more as he gets older ? Also he eats his poo still if I dont get to it quick enough, but thats really another issue, thankyou in advance for all the help you can give, Maggie x
Re: Otis still not fully housetrained, sigh ! One thing you can try is giving him his meals in different locations around the house - but especially where he wees the most. Dogs do not like to poo or wee where they eat - they like to keep it separate. So, if you feed him where you don't want him to wee, you kind of turn it into a 'food zone' aka a 'not for weeing' zone. I'm guessing you have ruled out any kind of physical or medical problem with the vet?
Re: Otis still not fully housetrained, sigh ! Thanks Rachael, thats really helpful, I will try that. Actualy I havent seen the vet to see if he has any problems, I take it you mean a urinary tract infection, think I will give them a ring after christmas. Thing is he did a poo indoors tonight, I couldnt get him to go outside despite putting him out twice, its unusual for him to that though. Thanks again, Maggie
Re: Otis still not fully housetrained, sigh ! Yes, I did mean that kind of thing But I do agree that the problem is much more likely to be that he has decided that pooing and weeing in the house is just fine. At 8.5 months he should have no problem at all holding on for many more hours than he is at the moment.
Re: Otis still not fully housetrained, sigh ! Are you getting rid of the smell where he empties in the house ? If its a rug etc are you removing the rug from the house or room ?
Re: Otis still not fully housetrained, sigh ! Ive actualy just thrown the rug out, it was old and shabby, going to thoughrly mop the floor using washing up liquid and hot water, was using flash but am sure thats got amonia in it. Thing is think its hard to get rid of the smell, as i have floor boards and they are getting a bit stained, so they must be a bit pouros. Have tried specail cleaner, but dont think it gets rid of the smell to dogs, just us. Maggie
Re: Otis still not fully housetrained, sigh ! Maybe he just needs to be in a crate for a while - unless he is outside, on a walk, or you are right next to him? It might not be for long, but it's just going to be too annoying if it doesn't get sorted. Poor you, you must be sick of the mop bucket by now. Hope you get it sorted.
Re: Otis still not fully housetrained, sigh ! The poo eating can sometimes indicate poor digestion of the food he is eating and there is still tasty morsals inside. Supposedly. There are something's you can add to their food (i think its meant to smell of pineapple) that when they poop it out it makes them not want to eat it due to the weird smell.
Re: Otis still not fully housetrained, sigh ! I think one issue is that there are a lot of flavourings in kibble and it's concentrated and very tasty. So even what comes out as waste is still tasty. Possibly why switching to a raw diet can sometimes help. Not a guarantee though.
Re: Otis still not fully housetrained, sigh ! It must depend though...Charlie (kibble fed) goes to some lengths to avoid his poo - and the poo of all other dogs. (Not horses though : ).
Re: Otis still not fully housetrained, sigh ! [quote author=JulieT link=topic=3752.msg42705#msg42705 date=1387745806] It must depend though...Charlie (kibble fed) goes to some lengths to avoid his poo - and the poo of all other dogs. (Not horses though : ). [/quote] All my dogs are kibble, never eat their own poo Horse poo is like mana from heaven to them and we keep horses too lol
Re: Otis still not fully housetrained, sigh ! oh maggie, sorry i have no answers for you, just hope he is trained soon, he is a lovely boy x
Re: Otis still not fully housetrained, sigh ! Well took the rug up tonight and it did seem to make a difference, not so much wee. Going to phone pdsa in the morning to make an appointment. As regards a crate, I dont think it would work, for one i would have to get a big one which i really cant afford, adn even if i could Im not sure he would not settle in one now, think he would bark like he does if I put him in the kitchen, as regards him eating poo, he dosent always, and its only when i cant get to it in time to bag it, think Ill get some pineapple to put in it. The toilet training is really beginning to get me down and worry me a lot,I sort of hope he does have a UTI, as that will be easier to cure than trying to get him toilet trained. I will of course get a crate if thats the only way to get him trained, but the problem is if he barks a lot the neighbours will complain. Not sure quite how a crate would help as i did have one till he was about four months i think, and he still weed once out of the crate in the house . Sorry to sound so negative, i dont mean to be, its just cant see where im going wrong or what else to do. Hopefuly the vet visit will sort it. Thankyou everyone, xx
Re: Otis still not fully housetrained, sigh ! Sorry you are having this trouble, it must be very frustrating. I can't offer any suggestions except to say that he certainly should be able to "hold"'it, barring any UTIs of course. He has got the idea that it's okay to use the inside as a toilet, so re-training is likely needed in some fashion. It's been a looonng time since I had a puppy so not too helpful on suggestions, sorry, but sending you sympathy and hopes that it will get sorted out soon.
Re: Otis still not fully housetrained, sigh ! [quote author=JulieT link=topic=3752.msg42705#msg42705 date=1387745806] It must depend though...Charlie (kibble fed) goes to some lengths to avoid his poo [/quote] Of course Most dogs do not eat dog poo - theirs, others', kibble fed or otherwise. But those with a poo penchant possibly find the tasty kibble poo that big more attractive. At the least, you do hear of cases in which a switch to a raw diet stops dogs eating their own previously kibble fed poo. But also cases in which this doesn't work.
Re: Otis still not fully housetrained, sigh ! [quote author=Maggie68 link=topic=3752.msg42714#msg42714 date=1387765655] Sorry to sound so negative, i dont mean to be, its just cant see where im going wrong or what else to do. Hopefuly the vet visit will sort it. [/quote] You sound really down in the dumps - I'm not surprised, it must be really tiring. I've been cleaning up poo the last few days with Charlie's upset tummy and it got me down. You do have to try something new though, it seems to me. You can't carry on with a dog that's not house trained, it would be unbearable in the long term. [quote author=Maggie68 link=topic=3752.msg42714#msg42714 date=1387765655] As regards a crate, I dont think it would work, for one i would have to get a big one which i really cant afford, adn even if i could Im not sure he would not settle in one now, think he would bark like he does if I put him in the kitchen [/quote] If you need to just stop him thinking it's ok to go in the house, it's hard to see how you can do this without a crate - I realise saying that doesn't help with the expense of it. But you can train him to go in the crate and settle. I'm dong this now with my 10 month old boy who has never been in a crate before. Perhaps you can see whether you could borrow one, or get a second hand one? You could sell it again when the problem is solved, perhaps.
Re: Otis still not fully housetrained, sigh ! Hi Maggie, The only other option I can think of if you really can't go down the crate route is to keep him with you on a house line - not too long. He can't then sneak away from you and go. I would also definitely go with Rachael's suggestion of feeding him in those spots he uses the most... Yes, he really should be able to hold on by now, but it sounds as if there is that definite time of day when he really doesn't even try, despite coping with being taken out regularly during the day. I'd try treating him like he was tiny again, and taking him out every 15 minutes during that danger phase of the day - it's a pain, I know, and you feel like you shouldn't be having to take him out so often anymore, but hopefully a short spell of going back to little puppy timings might help to get that outside habit established?? Good luck, Clare
Re: Otis still not fully housetrained, sigh ! I discovered that biological washing powder/liquid really is the best for removing the smell of pee and poo. From what I understand the enzymes in it actually destroy the smell rather than just trying to conceal it.
