Sorry to jump in on your post but i was hoping someone might be able to help! Rocky is a little over four months now and has started peeing in the house again. We leave our back door open all the time for him when we're in the house and he knows to do it out there as he will go out from time to time to do it but more often that not he'll go to a specific place in the back room and do it on the carpet. We've scrubbed and scrubbed the carpet so it doesn't have his scent anymore and we praise him like crazy when he does it outside but he keeps going back. he's also started doing it in his crate which has then gone into the carpet as he likes torip puppy pads to shreds. He has plenty of toys in his crate when we're at work and I come home at lunch as i work 5 minutes from where we live and take him out for a walk. It's a rented house so could do without te landlord coming round to smelling carpets if he carries on (obviously we clean it up!) but i just wondered if there's anything anyone can.suggest to either stop.him from doing it or get him to hold it in unti he's outside? He doesn't poo inside so i dont get it? I feel like im doing something really wrong :-/
Re: Toilet training Rocky Hi there I moved your post - you'll get more replies this way. The thread about Dex is not about toilet training a puppy.
Re: Toilet training Rocky [quote author=JulieT link=topic=6581.msg88117#msg88117 date=1402757758] Hi there I moved your post - you'll get more replies this way. The thread about Dex is not about toilet training a puppy. [/quote] Ahh okay thankyou sorry about that! His crate is big enough that he has room for a bed and room for puppy pads at the other end
Re: Toilet training Rocky [quote author=hollie link=topic=6581.msg88119#msg88119 date=1402757881] His crate is big enough that he has room for a bed and room for puppy pads at the other end [/quote] I'm not quite sure though why, if you plan on him weeing in his crate (as you have puppy pads in it) that it is on carpet? The idea of using a crate as part of toilet training is that it is small enough for them to think of it as their "den" a place where they don't want to have a wee. If it's large enough that it has puppy pads in it (which encourage him to have a wee) then that's why he is weeing in his crate. So if you want to use a crate as part of toilet training, then you need to divide the space. But you can't leave him in a crate if you are leaving him longer than he can hold wee for. There are lots of articles here: http://www.thelabradorsite.com/house-training-your-labrador-puppy/ [quote author=hollie link=topic=6581.msg88114#msg88114 date=1402756582] We leave our back door open all the time for him when we're in the house and he knows to do it out there as he will go out from time to time to do it but more often that not he'll go to a specific place in the back room and do it on the carpet. [/quote] It doesn't sound as though he is house trained. Just leaving the back door open isn't going to teach him. Have a read through the articles, I'm sure they will help.
Re: Toilet training Rocky It's on.the carpet when he's 'been' in the crate because he had chewed the pads up so when he did go it had spilled out. Thanks for the link I'll take a look. I guess I thought by leaving the door open he'd go out and just go. Obviously after we'd shown him.when we first got him where he should go. I've read that to stop accidents at night and a more structured toilet routine should include taking water away after he has eaten. Is this something that you'd agree with? I just always thought that fresh water should be available at all times for any animal? I'm sorry if it comes across as being completely clueless by the way!
Re: Toilet training Rocky Don't worry about asking questions, that's no problem at all. Lots of people take water up in the evening, to stop a puppy "tanking up" before going to bed and so needing to go out in the night. I never did this, as preferred to leave water available. Unless his behaviour has changed very dramatically (in which case a trip to the vet to rule out a bladder infection etc might be in order) if he is just choosing to go inside (where he has been before) then he just hasn't "got it". You need to get him off your carpets, really. It is really hard to clean carpets such that dogs can't smell the wee - and they wee where they have gone before. You'll see from the articles that you should change things so he is not weeing in his crate - which is likely to mean a smaller crate, you taking him outside and rewarding him going outside, and supervision at other times. If you absolutely have to leave him longer than he can hold wee for, then leave him inside a pen, with a crate for sleeping inside the pen with the door open, and his puppy pads (or newspapers) far away from his crate. You need to get this arrangement off the carpet. Buy a large sheet of lino and put his crate, pen etc on the lino. You can get off cuts of lino for next to nothing.
Re: Toilet training Rocky Thank you. I've just had a look though and I think we just need to get into more of a routine. I may have a look at getting a smaller crate too so that it is more of a den than just a place to keep him. I also think that it's going to be worthwhile setting an alarm for early hours so we can come.Down and let him.outside. We've never tried this one as I didn't realise they couldn't hold it for that length of time. Again that probably sounds like i have no clue but this is my very first puppy so we're.just as new to this as he is! When I lived at home we had a dalmatian but got him at 4 years old as.a rehome and he.we always toilet trained and told us when he wanted to go so I think it's more my expectations being too high
Re: Toilet training Rocky Hi Hollie, welcome to the forum. It sounds like you have the info to start getting some control over the wee-ing now. This forum and Pippa's articles are great for information of all sorts, and as has been said many times before, there is no such thing as a silly question. I am glad you have found us here, I know I wish I had help and advice like this when Lilly was a pup. There are so many things I didn't have a clue about! Best of luck Jac and Lilly (4 year old black girl)
Re: Toilet training Rocky Hello from Molly and me. She is nearly 9 months so I well remember the frustration of toilet training. Just a couple of points. What are you cleaning up Rocky's accidents with. You can scrub and scrub until all trace is gone and your house smells beautiful, but to a dog's sensitive nose it is still there and it can be an invitation to do it there again. There are special enzyme cleaners available from pet shops that eradicate the smell as far as a dog is concerned. You just spray it on and give it a few minutes to work and mop it up. It is not expensive and very effective. I didn't even use a whole bottle. My trainer advised me that by using Puppy Pads I was encouraging my pup to wee in the crate. With great trepidation I took it out. Next morning I came down expecting to find she peed and pooed and then rolled in it. Nothing! I grabbed her and sprinted for the garden and made a great fuss of her when she's performed. I am in the happy position of being retired so I was able to devote lots of time and attention to Molly's training. I know that time is a luxury most people don't have. Good Luck with it. Toilet training is so important to us humans. We don't like sharing our living space with creatures that foul it and it seems like once we've got the toilet training done we are on our way towards a dog we want to share our lives with.
Re: Toilet training Rocky Thank you both. I just worry that I will ask or say something and someone will ask why ive not researched before getting a puppy. But i suppose there's only so much research.you can do before you have to trial and test.things! Thanks for all the advice. I've just taken him out for a walk and let him do his business and when.he did it i used a couple.of words an then praised him. When we got back i opened the back door and.he went out and weed again and I used the same words and praised him.again.then closed the door. I'm going to leave it shut now and just take him out at intervals and try and get him.used to going on command. I'm also going to take.the pads.out of.his crate tonight and.see what happens! As for cleaning I've just been scrubbing with hot water and carpet.cleaner but.I've read.some.tips on the Internet about things to use to ensure the smell goes Sorry for the full stops everywhere my new phone has the tiniest space bar and i keep hitting the one next to.it!
Re: Toilet training Rocky [quote author=hollie link=topic=6581.msg88158#msg88158 date=1402764298] I just worry that I will ask or say something and someone will ask why ive not researched before getting a puppy. [/quote] Lots of people are on a learning curve with a new puppy! I found puppy books helped. I bought Ian Dunbar's book, but now Pippa's happy puppy handbook is out too, and it is great. Covers most things you'll need to know over the next few months.
Re: Toilet training Rocky Ah Hollie,I ve read through this and you've had great advice and direction to training so I haven't got anything to add .Dont ever be anxious about asking questions that will help you to keep your puppy happy and healthy,that's what the Forum is for ;D and we all want to help you acheive that.You can do all the reading,planning and preparation in the world and you still get tuned upside down when that little 4 legged one arrives into your home ;D Sometimes you can be tired,puzzled,frazzled,anxious and it helps to come on and get someone else's perspective and advice. Let us know how you do with Rocky....his name always brings a smile ,a little dinky dot puppy with a big name ;D Best wishes Angela x
Re: Re: Toilet training Rocky You've had some great advice already so I just wanted to wish you luck! I had similar problems to yourself in that Penny's crate was far too big for her when she was a pup so in her eyes she had a bedroom and a bathroom in there!! She also used to shred puppy pads and newspapers. You can improvise a crate divider if you don't want to go out and purchase another crate, by using some mesh to make a screen, just make sure your puppy isn't going to hurt himself on it. I'm pretty sure you should also be able to buy a crate divider on the internet. Don't worry about feeling like you're asking silly questions, we won't judge you, we're not like that on here! Besides you can so all the research in the world and still feel woefully unprepared or come up against something you didn't expect!
Re: Re: Toilet training Rocky [quote author=Penny+Me link=topic=6581.msg88380#msg88380 date=1402817121] Don't worry about feeling like you're asking silly questions, we won't judge you, we're not like that on here! Besides you can so all the research in the world and still feel woefully unprepared or come up against something you didn't expect! [/quote] Exactly! The only silly questions are the ones that go un-asked So, ask away!
Re: Toilet training Rocky Thank you all for the advice it's appreciated! We seem to have some progress. Still a couple of accidents inside but I've started off by keeping him in one room after he's eaten/had a drink and waited to see the signs of him 'about to go' and whisked him outside. Yesterday he went outside on his own accord (we had the door open as it's so hot!) And then this morning he started barking and whining which he never does now he's happy to sleep in his crate at night so I went down to let him out and he did both in the garden! I was so happy. We took the pads out and most nights he's held it but I'm just so happy that it's working. I think most people get the feeling that things will never change with somethings but i guess it just takes a little consistency! Thanks again for all the advice. It really is invaluable ;D
Re: Toilet training Rocky Glad you are seeing light at the end of the tunnel. If he's anything like my two dogs......once they get the idea they like to do it outside. There will of course be accidents, but then one day you will realise you haven't done any mopping up for ages
