Charlie's release is "go play" - it normally works fine. But if he is hoping for another reward (eg stay on mat while we eat) he often doesn't move on his release word. Should i just ignore that, he's been released to do whatever he wants, and if he wants to stay where he is, well, that's fine? And sometimes he goes to sleep - for example, I've told him mat or bed, and he gets comfy and nods off. Do I wake him up to release him? ??? If he doesn't move, I'll sometimes throw a treat and say "go play" again when he does move - but I'm wondering if this isn't helping and he is starting to wait for me to throw the treat?
Re: Release words Hmmmm this post has made me reflect Julie....it doesn't happen very often to be honest but it has.Dexter's release is 'ok' not the best choice I know but that's what we use.when it has happened I've not thought anything of it really,if he doesn't move when he's allowed too ( most cases it's the other way round :) I leave him to it.....like Charlie it usually happens on his bed..he's been told ok so if he wants to linger there I've just left him to it.....I've never thought anything of it until you've brought it up but I guess it's not following an instruction.if I said sit I would expect him to do it so when I say 'ok' he should move ??? He has done it a couple of times in the park since he's been back off lead as he knows there is roast chicken somewhere about my person.....I just set off with a 'lets go' which I use if he's over sniffing or other shenanighans and he follows me on. Me being me I say don't wake Charlie up if he's nodded off poor love,but you know by now I don't really know what I'm doing ! ;D let's see what replies you get x
Re: Release words I'm just trying to tighten everything up, having had my shortcomings in the general obedience department pointed out at my lesson last week...so looking hard at what I'm doing. I noticed in Rachael's vid of Obi's retrieve she prompted Obi to move off when she said he was hanging round seeing whether he'd get another treat...so wondered.
Re: Release words I don't think I would throw the treat to "go play" he should soon get the message. "Go play" is my release command too and they just go without any extra treat, I think I am pretty mean with treats though for this reason
Re: Release words Tonight, I've been saying "stay", throwing the treat, he stays, then "go play", Then he goes. That works... ??? Covers the situation if he is still unsure about the meaning of "go play". Although I think he knows it well enough. :
Re: Release words Has he been unsure about the "go play" before or is this a recent thing and did you use chicken/roast beef for treats for this command?
Re: Release words The scenario I described - eg sometimes not moving on his release command is not a recent thing. I don't know whether this is because he is hoping for more treats or is sometimes unsure of the command - or rather no command (i suspect treats though, it's never a problem when he is waiting to eat or run off lead :). He is only 8 months, so I never dismiss the possibility he doesn't understand (or something about the situation is new eg his mat has been moved) - at 8 months almost everything is still being proofed. The scenario isn't specific to one event, so can't be specific about the treats used, but usually he wouldn't be getting chicken or beef for stay on mat or in bed etc, it would normally be just kibble.
Re: Release words [quote author=JulieT link=topic=3146.msg33480#msg33480 date=1383490682] Charlie's release is "go play" - it normally works fine. But if he is hoping for another reward (eg stay on mat while we eat) he often doesn't move on his release word. Should i just ignore that, he's been released to do whatever he wants, and if he wants to stay where he is, well, that's fine? And sometimes he goes to sleep - for example, I've told him mat or bed, and he gets comfy and nods off. Do I wake him up to release him? ??? If he doesn't move, I'll sometimes throw a treat and say "go play" again when he does move - but I'm wondering if this isn't helping and he is starting to wait for me to throw the treat? [/quote] The release cue means 'please yourself, exercise finished, I don't need your attention just now'. If you release him and he doesn't move just ignore him - or, if you think he doesn't understand or it just really doesn't make sense to leave him sitting there, then jump about or do something to prompt him to move (which I did in the video, then I rewarded him with a treat for moving/obeying the release cue). If he is on his bed and chooses to stay there then leave him there though. Just don't reward (treat) him for not moving or you are teaching him to ignore the release cue. Get him to move first then produce the treat - don't use the treat to get him to move (e.g. by tossing it on the ground) or it's too much like a reward for staying put (because the reward appeared when he was still in 'staying still' mode. Hope that makes sense.... Obi is terrible at being released : He will persist for ages and often has to be very deliberately ignored (I turn and walk away) at times when I really want him to go away and run (at the dog park or on the beach).
Re: Release words Like Rachael I don't give the treat for the release cue unless they move. No move no treat which is a bit strange if you think about it I'm usually trying to stop them moving. ;D This rule has had the effect of my release cue becoming a bit like a recall especially with Scout as more often than not he will come to me on release for his treat. This I'm not too bothered about unless it causes future problems of course :. It's such a mine field when you think about it . ??? Jen
Re: Release words It can be a hard one, especially if you have done a lot of rewarding the dog for spontaneously giving you attention (which I do). You can end up with a dog that is keen to stay near you or wait for the next instruction in the hope of a treat. But that is not the worst problem in the world to have
Re: Release words [quote author=Oberon link=topic=3146.msg33569#msg33569 date=1383518377] It can be a hard one, especially if you have done a lot of rewarding the dog for spontaneously giving you attention (which I do). You can end up with a dog that is keen to stay near you or wait for the next instruction in the hope of a treat. But that is not the worst problem in the world to have [/quote] Ah I'm thinking I should go down this road with Charlie as I want him near me ALWAYS, maybe I have been going about this release business the wrong way. When I release he looks at me and sometimes I have to repeat "go play" and I don't treat as I thought that was correct.
Re: Release words That is correct for a release cue, Helen - withholding treats for staying put after a release cue. Rewarding any spontaneous attention given to you (other than for failing to release...) is a separate strategy but it's a good one
Re: Release words We've been doing a lot of stay on mat proofing recently - it's now obvious he doesn't really get the release command on one of the mats, in one room. If I hold out a treat and say "go play" he stays on his mat. If I say "take it" he gets up and gets the treat. In the kitchen though, go play works. How do their furry minds work? :
Re: Release words Well....I didn't really think I had much of a release word, but realised after these posts that in fact I do.... Dropped some cauliflower out the pot onto the kitchen floor during the week. Lilly was mooching as usual (gonna try the mat thing though - only thing we miss her crate for as it was in the kitchen) and we told her to "leave" as usual. We were sitting down eating and realised that Lills was lying down beside the cooker *not looking at the cauli or us* instead of her usual place just outside the kitchen door. Realised she was waiting for permission, said the "on you go" command and gobble gobble - cauli hoovered up. Back to the usual spot just by the door. So....we have a good "leave it" in the house, and actually quite a good release command which operates both inside and out.
Re: Release words Sounds like Lilly would have no problem with the mat concept! I find it hugely useful - whatever I want Charlie to stop doing, even if it's just stop getting in the way, "mat" is the answer...got one in every room now...
Re: Release words Oh dear,our Leave it needs work....Dexter would have left it while I was watching and hovered it up the minute I'd turned my back .........
Re: Release words [quote author=drjs@5 link=topic=3146.msg34946#msg34946 date=1384186439] Well, thats a nice comfy red mat purchased. Now its down to Sophie ;D ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Cool! Go Sophie!
Re: Release words I've mentioned it before , when is Sophie old enough to come on a dog sitting/ training holiday ? 8) ;D x
