September Challenge - four feet in a box

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  1. snowbunny

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    Well, it's September already!

    Well done to everyone who took part in our July/August challenge; feel free to keep going with that one - we've certainly not mastered it yet (to be honest, we've not done it in ages!), so we will be continuing on with it.

    This month's challenge, courtesy of Kate @Beanwood, is "Four feet in a box".

    The idea is to - er - get your dog to put four feet in a box! :D

    A bit like the handsome Casper, here:



    Here is a link on how you might go about training it.

    http://totallydogtraining.com/dog-games-four-paws-in-a-box/

    It's something mine have never done, so I just have to find a suitable box and off we'll go :)

    Happy training, everyone!
     
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  2. UncleBob

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    Hmmm, this may be a tricky one for us - we give empty cardboard boxes to Harv as a source of entertainment. Entertainment in this case being a euphemism for ripping to shreds as quickly as possible! ;)
     
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    Yes, I can see a certain brown thing picking it up and doing hooleys with it :D
     
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    Ditto.
    But I've got 2 cats to do this in the past, so surely a Labrador should be much easier to train, right!?
     
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    Oh goodness, this is going to be tough! Last time I tried to get Ella to put two paws on a platform/target box type thing, she spent half an hour doing everything possible to avoid putting her paws on it!

    I think I'll try luring rather than shaping as Ella seems to respond better that way.

    Will report back soon :D
     
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    I'm just trying to figure out where I'll get a box from! Hmmm, I just placed an order with ZooPlus; it may have to wait until that arrives :)
     
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    I'm having the same problem! Might have to go shopping... :nod:
     
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    I might need a very large box... :)
     
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    We might have a go at this one! Good practice for the clicker.

    But here is a stupid question from me: if we do this using shaping, how and when do we put a cue on it? I don't want Pongo to run over and sit in every box that gets put down on the floor, I only want him to do it when I ask him to....

    Is there a simple answer to this one?
     
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    I'm going to aldi to get a banana box, or similar.
     
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    Firstly, give him a "ready to work" cue at the beginning of each training session and a "game over" cue at the end. The behaviour doesn't get rewarded outside of this time.*
    Within the session, wait for him to do it every time you put the box down. Once you would put £100 on him doing the behaviour, you can start to add a verbal cue. Once he understands the verbal cue, only reward him when you've used that cue, never without. That way, he'll learn that standing in a box only earns him a reward when he's been asked to do it.


    *This is different for behaviours you are wanting to encourage at other times - for example, if you teach "go to bed", you might choose to reward him whenever he goes to his bed voluntarily, even outside of training sessions.
     
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    Hmm a banana box isnt really big enough and it's quite high sided, I've got him putting two paws in the box and click and treating, which I managed by luring with a treat so he had to step in it.

    However he's then doing a mad scramble to get his front legs back out, scuffing the side of the box which isn't making for a positive association with it. He also did a rather graceful leap over the length of it once just to avoid stepping in it which he never, ever does, he walks around things or whines for them to be moved if they are in his way.

    He's also finding the base a bit slippy so when I find a bigger box i might have to line it with something.
    On hold for today...
     
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    As I said earlier, easy to get my other animal in the same box:
    A simple tidy sit:
    20170902_214843-1836x2448.jpg
    A relaxed curled up snooze:

    20170902_214758-1836x2448.jpg

    And she even finds time for some very personal ablutions: 20170902_214756-1836x2448.jpg
    (Which doesn't show up well in the poor light but that's for the best)

    I'll get to work on the dog soon.... but 50% of my animal household has passed this challenge already :D:D:D
     
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    Anybody managed to find a box or box lid that is big enough for an adult lab? :confused:
     
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    Nope, not yet! I'm practicing "boundary games" with all sorts of other stuff, rocks, water tanks, steps and things like that, so I think maybe when I get a box it should be pretty straightforward. Famous last words :D
     
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    No, I'm really struggling with this. I'm wondering if I should start by using the plastic lid off a storage box but I was worried it was a bit too slippery.
     
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    Ooo! - just about to unpack my zooplus box with Lilly's food in it!
    I guess I will need to modify the sides a little to make it more tray like than box like?
     
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    Yes, I'd definitely go for low sides, the box in the photo above was definitely too high for monty,
     
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    My Zooplus order came in three tiny boxes. No use at all!
     
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  20. UncleBob

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    Get another and go for one paw in each box? ... ;)
     
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