Just curious if anyone is feeding their dog this or similar no grain content and high meat content , just wanting some feedback . We were considering going raw but thinking this is the way to go for us as Jake has now moved on to Kongs for when we go out so looking to provide the healthiest option on our budget . It looks really good food and at £53:00 for a 13.6 kg bag I think it is well priced . Mike
Re: Taste of the wild dog food Hi Mike. We have been no grain for the last 18 months or so. Lilly has HD and had trouble with dry coat so decided a better food was in order. Haven't used Taste of the wild though. Started with Orijin. Fab product. We got it at a slightly reduced price which then went up. I am with a couple of others and get breeders rates so go with the flow regarding choice. Decided to try Eden Hollistic which is also 80/20/0 then moved onto Simpsons 80/20/0 which was relatively recently brought out I think. The latter I believe are both UK produced products. Cost wise Orijin most expensive and simpsons cbeapest (I pay £45 fkr big bag ?13kg). Orijin looks and smells nicest. I didn't like the smell of the Eden much and prefer the Simpsons. Lilly eats anything. Not fussy. Poops good on all 3 products probably harder with the Eden. Overall not much to choose between them. I can't see Taste of the wild as being much different, just not one we have tried.
Re: Taste of the wild dog food Harley has been on grain free for 5 months now and she has thrived on it. Grain - in particular wheat, doesn't agree with her . We use Bob and Lush which are based in the Uk - she has wet and dry food, the content of which is mainly meat.
Re: Taste of the wild dog food Thanks for the replies and info , i have settled on Purizon chicken & fish which is made in the UK and has combined total of 70% chicken and fish then 30% fruit, veg and herbs managed to get it from Zooplus UK for £36.90 for a 13.5kg bag , They have some good flavours so may alternate over time to give Jake some variety of nutrients feeling a lot happier as have been debating the best change for Jake for a while some much info to process . Thanks & Best Regards Mike & Jake
Re: Taste of the wild dog food We use taste of the wild, but for our cats from time to time, got samples of dog food and ended up using them as training treats, Benson loved them, but he loves all food!
Re: Taste of the wild dog food I assume taste of the wild comes at a higher price as it is imported from the States I believe , I must say I am surprised that a top quality dog food can be found a such a good price . Some people assume that because it is much more expensive than a log of other dry foods that it will cost them a fortune to feed their dog based on recommended feeding guide which is hugely over estimated IMHO we have only ever fed our dogs about half of the recommended amount and they have always been the correct weight and healthy . Mike
Re: Taste of the wild dog food What is it with grain free kibble, is it just a fad or is there scientific reasoning behind it?
Re: Taste of the wild dog food I think some people have dogs that don't tolerate grain well. And others view grain as a cheap plant based filler. My own view is that if the corn is processed properly, then I don't have any objection to it as a source of carbs in kibble (all kibble contains carbs). Charlie's current kibble is duck and tapioca and he seems to be doing just great on it. My ambition is to switch to raw though, I like the idea of an unprocessed diet.
Re: Taste of the wild dog food Sam used to have CSJ , as did my others before him , but his coat became dull and he was itchy . Wondering if it was the wheat , I switched him to Skinners salmon and rice , he does have veg, fresh fish , eggs and scraps alongside his Skinners , his coat is better and he isnt itchy, so no , I dont think wheat free is a fad
Re: Taste of the wild dog food I don't remember years ago dogs having problems with wheat, maybe with modern agriculture there are pesticides etc and some of this is residual in the wheat if only in minute quantities? It just seems that humans seem to be 'allergic to wheat' and that is one of the fads apart from the people who are celiac. I must admit to having a dog way back, who was allergic to maize :-[ Another concern of mine is raw food feeding, it needs to be done properly. I know of a woman who fed her dogs solely on chicken wings. My one Lab is on a block of raw food, contains Tripe 28%, Chicken 21% Maize 12%, Bran 12%, Lamb 10%, Peas 6%, Carrots 6%, Liver 5%, he went off it! So I introduced it to young Lab and he went hyper!! I now feed no 1 Lab, kibble for breakfast and the above block for his evening meal. Feeding seems to be a nightmare, so much easier years ago when it was half a tin of dog food with some mixer biscuits!
Re: Taste of the wild dog food Jake does not have any allergies at all we are trying to provide a good natural diet within our budget as posts in the past if a dog was meant to eat grain the fields would be ravaged by domestic dogs . Which they are not if you believe in feeding raw and natural ingredients then why would you feed grain the acidity changes in a dogs stomach when feeding dry processed grain content kibble which means if you give them raw bones then they don't process it so well . I will feed Jake chicken wings and carcasses as a treat as I believe the correct animal based protein and fat is the way to go to provide as natural diet as possible . We cannot afford to spend £30-40 a month on raw feeding so we have searched and constantly debated over recent weeks what may be best for Jake and the food we have selected above will hopefully work for us . I plan on starting shooting on local land with permission with a farmer I know and will source rabbits etc and cater Jakes diet as is appropriate and will continue to research question and debate what is best . Mike
Re: Taste of the wild dog food I feel after much discussion that grain is just a "filler" too, which was why I chose grain-free. I am not sure that feeding raw DOES work out necessarily expensive, but it depends on local resources and friendly butchers. It is worth pointing out that the quantities of the 80/20/0 foods tend to be lower, so in fact more econiomical to use. I recently posted the two food bowls picture. John Burns v Simpsons....190g v 120g Volume wise I would say the Burns is twice as much as the Simpsons (at least). I don't have any evidence that grain is bad, it is just a preference based on casual discussion, bits and pieces on line, advice from people I trust.... And I don't think VOLUME is necessarily good for hunger. Its like a Slimming world Green Day v Atkins diet
Re: Taste of the wild dog food Amen or another view picture this all you can eat chinese buffet or grilled fish and green veg, Which is best i know which one would be most healthy for me and i know which i would equally feed to my Boy . Mike
Re: Taste of the wild dog food I do agree it seems preferable to feed a raw diet. Nevertheless, since we are talking about processed food... [quote author=Mike link=topic=7102.msg97325#msg97325 date=1406386131] Jake does not have any allergies at all we are trying to provide a good natural diet within our budget as posts in the past if a dog was meant to eat grain the fields would be ravaged by domestic dogs . Which they are not if you believe in feeding raw and natural ingredients then why would you feed grain the acidity changes in a dogs stomach when feeding dry processed grain content kibble which means if you give them raw bones then they don't process it so well . [/quote] Is there a reason why processed carbohydrate from grain is worse than processed carbohydrate from other sources? So why worse than potato, or banana, strawberries, blueberries...and so on? I really haven't heard that grain changes the acidity in a dog's stomach to the extent that it has a problem with raw food. That does sound most unlikely to me. But happy to be corrected - can you point to any research on the matter? By the way, when people refer to food being (for example) 80/20/0 - I understand that to be meat/vegetable/grain. Is that right? If so, what are the ratios - by weight, volume or source of energy?
Re: Taste of the wild dog food Definetly read it it i think in some literature by Dr Tom Lonsdale author of Raw Meaty Bones Diet , Dogs have a strong stomach acid which aids in the digestion of raw meat and bones by feeding dry kibble this alters the acidity in the dogs stomach which hinders the ability for dogs to digest the raw meaty bones in the correct manner The above statement is ad-lib and going off memory form the past week , I assume it is predominantly down to the things that dogs dont typically eat ie grain although this is not clearly stated in said literature . Although their is absolutely no concrete evidence , Our last 2 rescue dogs were fed on a grain kibble diet are very healthy , whether i am right or wrong i think it is worth a really good in depth with lots of info and opinions and good general feedback which will help people decide . Their is so much information on the web that your head is left spinning at times so for new and old dog owners looking and wondering what is best food option for their dog we need a good debate along with appropriate articles posted help us decide . Best Regards Mike
Re: Taste of the wild dog food I agree JulieT about are potatoes being better than rice or wheat, if the same argument is used, when do you see dogs grazing a potato field! Wheat has always been the staple food for humans and I would imagine dogs would have also been fed it.
Re: Taste of the wild dog food There are a number of substances in grain that have evolved to be irritating to the gut of the animal ingesting them. Presumably as this increases the chances of grain passing through the gut sufficiently intact to enable the seeds to germinate when dumped on the ground Wheat has only been a staple food for humans for a few thousand years, a relatively short time in evolutionary terms. There is quite a lot of evidence to suggest that problems with digesting wheat may be more widespread than we once believed. How dogs may differ from us in this respect, I don’t know.
Re: Taste of the wild dog food [quote author=JulieT link=topic=7102.msg97351#msg97351 date=1406390266] By the way, when people refer to food being (for example) 80/20/0 - I understand that to be meat/vegetable/grain. Is that right? If so, what are the ratios - by weight, volume or source of energy? [/quote] Yes Julie, that is correct. Vegetables/fruit are grouped together. Simpsons Premium is as follows - Composition: Deboned Chicken(27%), Dried Chicken(16%), Deboned Salmon(13%), Sweet Potato, Potato, Dried White Fish(7%), Dried Salmon(5%), Dried Turkey(4%), Chicken Fat(2%), Chicken Gravy(2%), Dried Whole Egg(2%), Deboned White Fish(2%), Pea Fibre, Lucerne, Minerals, Vitamins, Dried Apple, Dried Carrot, Spinach, Dried Seaweed, Dried Cranberry, Prebiotic FOS, Aniseed, Fenugreek, Glucosamine, MSM, Chondroitin, Thyme, Marjoram, Oregano, Parsley, Sage. Analytical Constituents: Protein: 38% Oil: 18% Fibre: 3% Ash: 10.5% Calcium: 2.01% Phosphorous: 1.62% Omega 6: 2.53% Omega 3: 1.93% Source - http://www.simpsonspremium.com/80-20?product_id=82 Don't know if that helps?
Re: Taste of the wild dog food [quote author=editor link=topic=7102.msg97397#msg97397 date=1406397312] There are a number of substances in grain that have evolved to be irritating to the gut of the animal ingesting them. Presumably as this increases the chances of grain passing through the gut sufficiently intact to enable the seeds to germinate when dumped on the ground Wheat has only been a staple food for humans for a few thousand years, a relatively short time in evolutionary terms. There is quite a lot of evidence to suggest that problems with digesting wheat may be more widespread than we once believed. How dogs may differ from us in this respect, I don’t know. [/quote] Many thanks - one of the reasons I asked is because the kibble I used to buy (I use a different brand from the same maker now - which happens to be grain free) sent me a leaflet about kibble, the food was grain based. It was about the myths of kibble. Not an unbiased take on matters I'm sure! It said: "Many people will tell you that corn causes allergies and has no nutritional value. And while a food reaction may affect some dogs with rare, documented food allergies, there is no evidence to support claims that grains in general cause health problems. When processed properly, grains like corn can be a healthy part of any cat or dog’s diet. In fact, properly processed corn contains far more nutrients than ingredients commonly used as replacements for it in grain-free diets. Royal Canin grinds the corn very finely before it’s added to any of our formulas. This makes it a very effective and digestible carbohydrate source." It is quite a minefield trying to sort out the facts...
Re: Taste of the wild dog food With the current debate i have looked more in to natural dried dog foods and despite claiming to be additive free etc have different things added such as Absorbic acid and choline choloride , Does anyone have any more info or experience with feeding dogs with these additives . I was reconsidering my current order of Purizon for Lukullus which is a cold pressed food but again quite a few additional additives . Mike
