Re: A RECALL Question Thanks for the tips Barbara will give it a go at the weekend Thanks Julie, I can see a turn whistle could be more beneficial than a recall to my Charlie, can I do 3 pips or should it be more, should the turn whistle have a certain duration, loud/soft etc. like a stop whistle is longer? I think as Charlie is not a big food motivated dog the following us technique might work better and give us more opportunities to practise. Sorry folks for all the questions but I do like to at least try to get it right : xx
Re: A RECALL Question Helen , I cant add to any of the great advice , except to say a massive well done for your gargantuan efforts , Charlie has come a heck of a long way since you first came onto the forum , often in despair , big well done hugs x
Re: A RECALL Question [quote author=charlie link=topic=7668.msg107954#msg107954 date=1410185864] Thanks Julie, I can see a turn whistle could be more beneficial than a recall to my Charlie, can I do 3 pips or should it be more, should the turn whistle have a certain duration, loud/soft etc. like a stop whistle is longer? I think as Charlie is not a big food motivated dog the following us technique might work better and give us more opportunities to practise. [/quote] I'm not sure what your whistle cue is matters much - so long as it's different from you other cues. Well, you know your dog - if he'll turn when you do, then that's fine. Just get the behaviour you want and put it on cue. Others who know about quartering might have more detailed/specific advice. I just threw quite large lumps of chicken in the yo-yo pattern when my Charlie was hungry, and didn't have anything else to do, and got it on cue pretty quickly - increased the distance by walking and throwing further. Then used a tennis ball when out and about and that speeded up his response and proofed against distractions nicely.
Re: A RECALL Question It's two pips for a turn Helen - short and snappy pip-pip - have a read of this quartering to give you some idea. Have the wind in your face because dogs automatically turn into the wind.
Re: A RECALL Question I suspect an adult dog with a history of chasing and hunting will be too aroused to eat whilst hunting. So the 'running' method will probably be the best approach.
Re: A RECALL Question Thanks ladies Pippa, I use 2 pips for recall, I don't want to confuse him with 2 shorter pips for a turn, will it be ok to do 3? although I still hanker after doing Grade 1, a dream I know :-[ I have read the article and all seems pretty indepth and for shooting purposes. I really would only be interested in using a turn as an alternative to a recall in certain situations :-\ How many pips do you all use for a turn? thanks x
Re: A RECALL Question Success, Charlie will sit/wait whilst David moved a few feet away and returned to him got his attention and released "OK", some self control I think x
Re: A RECALL Question That's great Helen Do you use a single pip for anything? You could try a really short single pip for a turn......
Re: A RECALL Question Just the long single peep for STOP, would it be confusing for Charlie and us : to use a short pip and enough at a distance? :-\
Re: A RECALL Question I think someone uses peeeeeep for stop and pip for turn but I can't remember who....
Re: A RECALL Question Well done, Helen. I use 2 pips for a turn, 1 for stop, 5 for recall. A short, soft pip, and a long, loud pip both mean stop though. I taught turn in the garden first with no distractions. My Charlie doesn't really quarter, he changes direction and often does a "fly-by" to get his reward (although I don't insist on this). So I blow my whistle, change direction, he comes running up, and I throw him a ball or a biscuit and he doesn't stop but keeps running for his reward. I suppose the pattern is that of quartering when we are training. But in everyday use, I use it when he is getting too far away, heading for a river or mud and I'd rather he didn't, and so on.
Re: A RECALL Question [quote author=charlie link=topic=7668.msg108173#msg108173 date=1410247547] Just the long single peep for STOP, would it be confusing for Charlie and us : to use a short pip and enough at a distance? :-\ [/quote] I use a series of short pips as a recall so there is no way the dog can confuse it with a turn whistle or stop whistle for example. A turn whistle should never be made up of more pips than a recall whistle.
Re: A RECALL Question [quote author=heidrun link=topic=7668.msg108178#msg108178 date=1410248223] [quote author=charlie link=topic=7668.msg108173#msg108173 date=1410247547] [/quote] I use a series of short pips as a recall so there is no way the dog can confuse it with a turn whistle or stop whistle for example. A turn whistle should never be made up of more pips than a recall whistle. [/quote] That's a pain as we trained for 2 pips for recall not knowing that such a thing as a turn command existed, so will have to go with 1 short pip as Barbara suggested and hope for the best. The long peeep for STOP will be different enough to the short pip for turn I suppose ??? Could I practise this exercise in the house/yard. Charlie does not train well in our garden and as he is doing well off lead would it be ok to practise the turn whistle with us changing direction on a walk and 'pip' just as he turns then throw a treat before he reaches us, am I understanding this correctly? ???
Re: A RECALL Question I think you need to think about the treat placement if you are going to use treats (although if you are, and he will take a treat, or follow it when it's thrown, you might as well try the yo-yo). I pipped as he turned, and changed direction, clicked for speed and threw the treat in the new direction. He turned back (hoping for another treats). I pipped as he turned and I walked away, clicked for speed, threw the treat. And so on. He'll do this for as long as I want to play. This is on page 34 of clicker gundog with a hand target (to pause at you) during the routine, and it's called "elastic recall" and speeds up the recall response. Without the hand target, it's change direction.
Re: A RECALL Question I'm confused already : we are going to go with the follow me change in direction, is there a reward for this method? :-[
Re: A RECALL Question Morning all, Charlie did it, WHOOO HOOOO, WHOO HOOO, WHOOO HOOO he did a very long distance (300 meter ish) recall yesterday, 2 loud blasts for a recall his brakes went on he whipped round and returned full pelt and sat bang infront of David for a whole sausage - just absolutely amazing . Getting quite a few 10 meter ish distance moochy recalls in too and some close stops too. Soooo proud of Charlie xxx
Re: A RECALL Question Fan-dabby-dozie ;D ;D ;D ;D Way to go Charlie! Pat on the back for you guys yet again 8)
