Cant find compatible food

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  1. Shorneygang

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    Hi Can anyone help? We have had labs foryears but our latest little addition is causing concern

    Winnie is a 18 week choc female, beautiful little thing very bright and alert full of beans the problem we are having is her food She came to us at 12 weeks on Beta puppy this didn't agree with her and we had constant diarrhoea, we changed to CSJ champ puppy food gradually which my 8 year old lab is on and thriving but this was no better after 2 weeks still watery sloppy poops!!! starved her for 24 hours and am slowly introducing a grain free food as advised by the great little pet shop in the village 2nd day in and she has just regurgitated the whole lot!!! I only gave 150 grammes.
    Have just ordered a slow eating bowl but has anyone any suggestions I know it will take a couple of weeks to adjust to this new food again but she is fine in herself although a little lethargic with the heat!!!
     
  2. Christina2807

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    We haven't got our pup as yet but we have looked at some options:

    Lifestage grain free from Jolleys
    Pro Plan
    Hills
    Royal Canine

    I hope you find something soon that she can eat and enjoy!
     
  3. Ryakki

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    Rusty is eating Akela 80:20. It's grain free and has a high rating on that website that rates food.
    People with better understanding than me often recommend going with raw meat, there are websites you can sign up to that handle it for you so it is apparently an easier task than you might imagine.

    However, your dog throwing up and having longstanding diarrhea could be a symptom of an illness or allergy and you might consider taking her to the vets as changing foods repeatedly can be problematic as it is.
    But I don't want to worry you and it is also possible that your dog threw up because of the recent heat, or she ate some grass or something. So don't panic or anything. I have never known a puppy that didn't find something worth puking.
     
  4. Jo Laurens

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    I'm sorry to say it, but this doesn't sound like an issue relating to food, but more like giardia or campylobacter or coccidia. I would get some Panacur 10% ordered online (you don't need a prescription) and follow the dosage for giardia on the info leaflet that comes with it. If that doesn't work, then it's the vet...
     
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    Panacur won't work for coccidia. My boy had a bad case of coccidiosis. It caused projectile liquid diarrhea for days on end. He also had 3 types of worms and tons of fleas I wasn't sure what exactly was causing the issues. He needed two rounds of meds. The first was Ponazuril liquid paste for 5 days. This cleared up the diarrhea quickly. He tested positive for coccidia again though after that treatment. But his diarrhea was gone so not a huge deal. He needed Albon pills for 5 more days to boot the rest of the little issues. He's been totally fine since then though.
     
  6. Jo Laurens

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    No, Panacur isn't effective against everything - but it is non-prescription, extremely safe (even when overdosed!) and an excellent thing to try initially, before going to the vet.
     
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    Canagan or Arden Grange or Orijen bit expensive mind but not much needed at mealtimes
     
  8. Christina2807

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    We are using Simpsons Premium Puppy 80/20 Food and our 9 week old puppy loves it and keeps her full until the next meal time.
     
  9. Benf64

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    Mine is 9.5 months old now and she has had mush for stools from the time i got her til a few weeks ago when i made a change to her diet that seems to be working well for her. I had tried 4 different 5star Kibbles over the months, both poultry and beef, but always the same results. I even tried different additives such as pumpkin, carrots, firm up, probiotics, etc... and those marginally helped. Also tested for parasites and treated with Pancur C and antibiotics, again with minimal effect. I am now giving her The Honest Kitchen Grain Free Beef for breakfast and dinner, and a Stella and Chewy Beef patty for lunch. It is now a night and day difference. Her stools have shape now.
     
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    I have just come back from Toby’s last chemo at a specialist vets and we were discussing his poor bowel habit. We decided “cow pat” was the best description.This could not all be put down to the chemo as he has had it for many months. He is going to have a stool sample tested soon and if it comes back as normal she has suggested several dried foods.
    Eukanuba Dermatosis.
    Purina Pro Plan Hypoallergenic.
    Hills Prescription D/D or Z/D.
    Royal Canin Hypoallergenic
    Her personal opinion on feeding him raw was “NO!” due to his comprised immune system.




     
  11. Jo Laurens

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    If you can't feed raw, feed Ziwipeak. And of course you can feed raw - that is the cancer diet recommended by KetoPet: ketopetsanctuary.com

    Whatever you do, if you have a dog which has had cancer, please do not put him on a diet which is high in grains - as are all those you have listed. Carbs fuel cancer. Do some googling and research... they have this effect in people and you can bet your boots they have even more of this effect in people.

    Please research the work of the KetoPet Sanctuary, who have done a lot of nutritional research into feeding dogs an anti-cancer diet: https://www.ketopetsanctuary.com

    Join their Facebook group here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/KetoPetSupport/

    And you might also want to buy or research the Dog Cancer Series of DVDs made by Dr Becker: https://www.dogcancerseries.com

    At the very least, watch the trailer. You might also want to research the ketogenic diet and cancer generally, for humans - the same principles apply for dogs, although it requires tweaking a bit because dogs can't eat any carbs at all (pretty much) to get into ketosis...
     
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    Sorry I don’t agree if the dog is having chemo. Once his immune system is back up to scratch I will look at the research.
     
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    Just looked up the price of that food and it is really expensive to feed a 30kg dog. How does it compare with buying raw frozen? Also are the companies that produce raw food for animals inspected for food hygiene like human factories? I read an article about not letting a dog lick you if fed raw because of possible bacteria in the food.
    Any opinions those that feed raw?
     
  14. Ruth Buckley

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    Ziwi peak is very expensive - ordinary frozen raw is much cheaper. I spend about £40 a month feeding my 30kg dog using a mixture of commercial raw, supermarket and butcher's meats and some gifts from friends who hunt.

    Factories that produce raw are inspected very thoroughly, there are occasional recalls of food but there are plenty of recalls with kibble too.

    Dogs lick themselves, roll in excrement, eat rotten things they find in the woods (at least mine does all these things, maybe yours is an angel) so I don't think letting them lick you is ever entirely safe. Raw feeding is getting so mainstream, I think if there were a significant risk to owners we'd be seeing it by now. Something pretty dramatic would have to happen to make me go back to processed food.

    I don't know anything about the ketogenic diet for dogs but a friend had very dramatic results himself when he had cancer. It wouldn't have to be a raw diet - it obviously isn't for humans.
     
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    Raw price seems more realistic. Ziwipeak seems to be about £5 per day.
    Toby definitely is not an angel when it comes to Scooby snacks!
     
  16. Jo Laurens

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    Ziwi is not as expensive as it sounds because you feed much less of it - you don't feed it like a kibble because it has no carbs and no fillers. So whereas a dog might be eating a cup of kibble, they will be eating a quarter cup of Ziwi. And, like all dog foods of any kind, the feeding calculator for Ziwi is again too generous - my dogs ate far less of it than that. Really, trialling it is the only way to know.

    But yes, I do think that a complete raw is cheaper than Ziwi. If you want to feed a ketogenic diet, you can't do that with a complete raw in the UK market at the moment - you need to make your own keto diet as found in the guidelines on the KetoPet Sanctuary website and Facebook page, because the diet needs to have literally almost zero carbs and is high in fat (the energy needs of the dog come primarily from fat - carbs feed cancer - this is a known fact).

    If you want to feed a ketogenic diet, you can do this with Ziwipeak though - we fed our Weimaraner with bone cancer a ketogenic diet using Ziwipeak - we added butter to it, to increase the fat content and she was successfully in ketosis, as tested by our ketone strips and blood testing device. We did this after she refused to eat the homemade raw diet we were making - she had eaten kibble all her life, so was none too impressed at raw food at first, but Ziwi worked well for her.

    And of course you can feed a dog with cancer a raw diet - literally every dog at KetoPet Sanctuary is fed raw and has cancer, all the dogs in the KetoPet FB group are fed raw and have cancer, and the Dog Cancer Series recommends feeding raw to dogs with cancer as well. All this is supported by research and by vets. Please do research things properly and don't just go by whatever a vet or two have told you... However, as I said above, there are no complete raws in the UK which are ketogenic raw diets which is why to feed raw, you need to make your own. So Ziwi with an added fat (butter, coconut oil, even cream - but take care with the lactose there for some dogs) might be the most convenient solution anyway. Because weighing up the right amounts of mince, broccoli and fat regularly is a definite chore! (But arguably worth it, if it prevents cancer returning.)
     
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    I have raw fed for many years now. I wean 3 week old puppies onto raw and they stay on it for life. It is really good for ensuring a strong immune system. Personally, I don't like being licked by dogs, but I have never got ill from being licked. I would imagine that you'd probably wash your hands if any dog has licked you knowing that they lick their bottoms etc.
     
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    Sorry wee seem to have hijacked your original post with a discussion on raw food.
    How is your dog doing now?
     
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    Oops.
    It is a shame when people don't come back with updates, there seem to be quite a few people just posting once and not coming back.
     
  20. J.D

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    Yes this forum business is quite addictive and you do get invested in some of the issues without finding out the outcome.
     
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