Re: I very rarely lose my temper but ...... I don't mind boisterous off-lead behaviour or a dog legitimately telling my dog that it's crossed the line, as long as it's just posturing and noise (not a bite). I do mind when people with dog-aggressive dogs let them off lead.
Re: I very rarely lose my temper but ...... [quote author=Oberon link=topic=1598.msg11510#msg11510 date=1369818726] a dog legitimately telling my dog that it's crossed the line, as long as it's just posturing and noise (not a bite). [/quote] I think that's it exactly! I know Riley's manners could use some improvement so I don't mind him getting put right by a dog but when he backs off they should let him go.
Re: I very rarely lose my temper but ...... [quote author=bbrown link=topic=1598.msg11511#msg11511 date=1369818838]when he backs off they should let him go. [/quote] Yes, exactly. Dogs shouldn't push the point when the message has clearly been received and acted on. It's just about good canine manners and social skills. Not that my dog is perfect!! Obi's fault is rudely barking and barking (and frantically play bowing) to rev another dog up for a game. It never works :
Re: I very rarely lose my temper but ...... [quote author=Oberon link=topic=1598.msg11517#msg11517 date=1369819781] Obi's fault is rudely barking and barking (and frantically play bowing) to rev another dog up for a game. It never works : [/quote] I would say it would work with Riley but I don't think Obi would get to barking they'd be off already having a whale of a time ;D
Re: I very rarely lose my temper but ...... poor old Sam. Hope he's better today. I get peeved with folk who know their dogs will or might have have a go, but just let them run up to dogs anyway out of control. Poor soft sack Brodick got punced on a few months ago in the park while he was just bimbling along with his ball, and let out one of those puppy shrieks. The fury I felt towards that dog was quite something! I feel I can be righteously peeved about this as my now complete ninny Cuillin spent the first year of her life enjoying bullying small furry dogs that scuttled and preferable looked timid. she would pin them down and not let them up even when they squealed, bad dog manners indeed and horrid for small dog and owner. She never bit or hurt but just seemed to enjoy the rumbling. anyhow, I had to become obsessive about scanning the horizon for small furries and she was instantly put on lead when I saw one while I worked on her recall away from dogs, which took some time as it was In The Days before Total Recall Was In My Life....and if I ever missed one and caught her directly in the act of bullying she was given a right rollocking and offered profuse apologies to owners. she doesn't do it now but I still keep an eye firmly on her when small furries are around just in case she regresses...
Re: I very rarely lose my temper but ...... I dont mind Sam being put in his place either, in fact its the best way for them to learn manners But these bad tempered dogs just being allowed to run and attack for no reason , now thats something else entirely . Debsie , so pleased that Cuillin has grown out( or trained out !) , it soundsl like just over exhuberance as she didnt bite . Now, had that Springer done what he did to my old girl Tess , look out , she would have definately have put him in his place , seems like its the boys who are ninnies ;D ;D
Re: I very rarely lose my temper but ...... Hattie got set about by a Jack Russell, yes a tiny thing and she is a big girl. This dog was with a very elderly lady I know, he is a very snappy boy, he was on a harness which he slipped out of and literally launched and attached himself to Hattie's face, all Hattie did was shake her head to try and remove this nusense, quite funny really , but another dog might not have been so gentle with him. The owner was very apologetic. Some quite nasty dogs around our village, a Cocker Spaniel that on occasions runs out of his drive to have a go at Hattie. A Collie that has grabbed Hattie twice with no apologie from her owner, but I did have something to say to him, said Collie has a go at all dogs and sheep and the owner spends all his time having a go at other peoples dogs, chasing them away instead of trying to train his own dog, because of course there is nothing wrong with her Makes me soooo cross. Anyway I hope all dogs and owners are fine after their unsettling experiences. Helen xx
Re: I very rarely lose my temper but ...... Oh poor Sam, I do hope he is OK. There is nothing quite like irresponsible dog owners to get my blood boiling. It is such a horrid thing to happen. We live right by a park and one morning when we had first started walking Luca (he had just turned 5 months I think) this huge Rotty came out of no-where (off the lead) came up to Luca ( on his lead) to have a sniff and promptly went for him. My poor pup ended up with a big gash on his nose. Anyway I shouted at the owner who had just appeared and told him to control his dog and his response was "that will teach him some manners"! No apology or anything! We went straight to our vets and after having a talk to the receptionist and others in the waiting room apparently this dog is well known and there have been other incidents of it attacking other dogs in the area. The attitude of this owner made me so angry, I could have hit him! My OH did a stake out over a few mornings and managed to get both the owner and the dog's photograph so we printed lots of fliers and posted them around the park warning of a dangerous dog. We reported him to the police too but their response was "it is your word against his" - outrageous when considering it could be a child that gets hurt next! We did manage to get his registration so they said they would log the complaint so at least there is a record now in case it happens again. Thank fully the fur on Luca's nose has grown back now and there doesn't seem to be any lasting damage - except that he seems to snore a bit more now! We tend to stay away from the park now too and stick with the beach or rugby fields behind the house where it is so much quieter. Honestly, it makes me so mad just thinking about it all again. Some people just shouldn't be allowed dogs. Anyway, give Sam a squidge from us xx
Re: I very rarely lose my temper but ...... Poor Luca, it is just horrible , so pleased that his fur has grown back, well done for the posters , I believe, might be wrong, but the law wont act when its dog on dog, which is wrong in my eyes . The wound on Sams leg has stripped the fur away, just hoping that it grows back too . I took him to the beach after lunch , salt water usually helps, he had a ball ;D
Re: I very rarely lose my temper but ...... There is a difference though between a snap / bite and a fully fledged attack... Both my male dogs were badly attacked at different times - in particular poor old Bones had to have a 2-hour operation to save his life after a dog ripped his chest open, while he was lying on his back screaming... My ex tried but could not get the dog off immediately, who did his very best to rip Bones' heart out... Old toothless Billy was trying to bite the attacking dog, to save his brother :'( Now THAT is a truly scary and horrible thing to happen, and probably the reason why I dont get too upset about the odd bite from a snappy dog. Really dangerous dogs on the other hand should be put to sleep, in my opinion, and the owners prosecuted. Sorry Kate, I'm not meaning to say that what happened to Sam was nothing. I do understand you getting angry, and I have be honest and say that no dog has yet seriously taken a bite at Poppy yet! I expect I will completely lose my rag the day that happens!!!!!
Re: I very rarely lose my temper but ...... Thats dreadful Karen, truly an awful attack and must have been terrifying for you . I do appreciate what you`re saying, but I still think that any dog who will have a go at another one , totally out of the blue and for no reason ( not under threat ), biting it hard enough to pierce the skin , should be at the very least muzzled and not allowed off lead in a public place , its something I feel very strongly about indeed . There was a terrible incident in our village last year when a Siberian Huskie dog, on lead , attacked a passing small terrier also on lead and killed it with a crushing bite to the neck . This was a dog known to attacking others and had it been mine , it would have been euthanised , as it is the dog is now muzzled when out , owner tending to take it out very early morning and late at night, what a liability to own a dog like that.
Re: I very rarely lose my temper but ...... Well, I have to say I have often thought that had I been there when that big black dog attacked Bones, I would have got it off and strangled it with my own hands!! I was so upset, and he was afraid of black dogs for a long time... I couldn't understand the owners, they gave us their insurance details to cover most of the vet bills, and as far as they were concerned that what the end of their responsibility. Why wasn't he muzzled, if they knew he would attack other dogs? If I had a dog that was that difficult, at the very least he would wear a muzzle when out in public. In your case, perhaps the woman really did not realize that her dog would be as aggressive regarding a dummy. Dear old Sam though, not biting back, just hanging on to his beloved dummy... What a sweetheart!!! It's why we love labs I suppose, they are usually such laid back and gentle dogs.
Re: I very rarely lose my temper but ...... Just read Bones' story Karen. That is really shocking. Poor old boy. Can't imagine what you went through Jac
Re: I very rarely lose my temper but ...... oh my word, i feel so scared now, :'( i think i would just have a heart attack on the spot, : these are horror storys, how awful, oh i do hope this never happens to me i have been lucky so far, as my boy dose run over to other dogs, if i dont spot them first, i tend to put him on the lead when there are other dogs around, i hope this never happens when my son is out with him, i think he would just flip at the owner
Re: I very rarely lose my temper but ...... No Lynne, please don't worry too much. My whole point was that most dogs, in fact I would guess 99% of dogs, are well-socialized and know how to get on with others. That is why it is SO important to let your pup meet up with other dogs and interact with them. Part of this is that dog rules are not quite the same as human rules... So a quick rumble, with growling, snarling and biting, may be quite normal to them, while we as humans really, really don't appreciate that behavior. All I have been trying to say is that in my opinion, a snarl, snap, and even a quick posturing fight, while not something to be approved of, is nevertheless perhaps not the end of the world. A serious attack is something completely different. However, when another dog snaps at or bites your darling, it really is surprising how protective and furious you become! It really is a very visceral response - and I've seen (and been part of) human disagreements that escalated way beyond the original dog fight.,!!
Re: I very rarely lose my temper but ...... thank you karen, you have explained well, i understand that he will and as dogs snarl and growl at him, but would hate to think another dog would hurt him to that extent :'( honest i would just fall to the ground, i would not be able to argue/fight/disagree, just hope it never happens, sorry you have been through all that ,
Re: I very rarely lose my temper but ...... The other aspect to this I think is that (well socialised) dogs will sometimes snap and snarl at each other to sort out their differences but will usually avoid damaging each other at all costs. Many years ago I had a Border Terrier who was a happy little soul but like all terriers wouldn't stand for any nonsense from other dogs of any size. Well he was severely attacked one day by an Alsation that picked him up by the neck and shook him. I think he only survived the attack because he was wearing a broad thick leather collar that took the brunt of the bite. Bllod everywhere. Nothing I could do. I think if I'd tried to intervene I would have been attacked too. Well the Alsation dropped him. BIG mistake! My Border rolled over and grabbed his very sensitive underbelly and refused to let go. He was dragged all around the field by a frantic screaming very frightened Alsation that I think probably though twice about having ago ever again. In hindsight it makes for an interesting story, but the reality was the Alsation was a very dangerous dog!
