Thank you. So it seems the relation is quite close which I thought anyway as they have sent the details of the sire and dam and their family history. The dogs are supposedly bred for their temperament and they have been breeding labs for over 45 years so I guess they want to keep the breeding close they they have a good idea what they're getting. Still interesting though. I think the biggest indicator will be when we visit on Sindau and see what feel we get.