Re: Lovely Chocolate Charlie You sound to be using it as a lead - I think. Just reading lots now, and trying to get my thoughts in order. I think using the line as any kind of lead is likely make the problem of "learned awareness" (section 22 total recall) worse. I'm not sure that the uses (lead and recall training) should be combined to be effective? The aim is to never touch it. So wish I could go on that recall course in Devon! Darn it.
Re: Lovely Chocolate Charlie i used a 10 mt recall line when jasper was ignoring me when he saw another dog,when jasper saw another dog approaching he would go to leg it, i just stood on the end of the line,.....i used it for 5/6 weeks, jasper as a very good recall now, it took a lot of time and patience, i never used it as a lead, i just used it when training they are not the easiest things to use,
Re: Lovely Chocolate Charlie [quote author=JulieT link=topic=4619.msg63003#msg63003 date=1395599044] So wish I could go on that recall course in Devon! Darn it. [/quote] I'm sure he'll run another, have you tried getting in touch? He's such a willing boy I'm sue it will come back to him, it's just tricky managing him through the first flush of enthusiasm.
Re: Lovely Chocolate Charlie I'm interested in the long line stuff too. I have one, but haven't used it yet, as I'm not exactly sure how to use it effectively. Pass along any tips you find, Julie!!
Re: Lovely Chocolate Charlie It's serious stuff to use them properly - as part of training a cast iron recall. Which is what I need and want. The idea seems to be that you first train the dog to wear the line, before, during and after the training set ups. To the extent the line is not noticed by the dog. The overall point is you get the dog to think you have control at a distance. This is why the dog must not be aware of the line (and why it is not the same at all as the idea of a long lead). Total recall describes a process where the dog may be wearing this line for a year or more. It's not a quick fix, pull the dog away when he ignores you, kind of thing at all (the dog would just become aware of the line, and behave differently when he is not wearing it). At least, that's what the initial reading suggests. I've to a way to go yet, of course.
Re: Lovely Chocolate Charlie [quote author=bbrown link=topic=4619.msg63022#msg63022 date=1395604538] [quote author=JulieT link=topic=4619.msg63003#msg63003 date=1395599044] So wish I could go on that recall course in Devon! Darn it. [/quote] I'm sure he'll run another, have you tried getting in touch? He's such a willing boy I'm sue it will come back to him, it's just tricky managing him through the first flush of enthusiasm. [/quote] I have looked at the calendar online, and there isn't any course in the UK planned after the one you're going on. I seriously thought about going to watch, but I could only go for two days. If I had Charlie fit, I'd take the time off work. But without a dog, not sure it adds up...still thinking though.
Re: Lovely Chocolate Charlie There's an HPR that wears one at our class and he does literally wear it all through class and has done for many months. He wears it hunting and it runs through the cover, trees, undergrowth etc and he wears it for retrieves too. His owner is very careful not to recall him when he's distracted or in his nose and she goes to within long lead distance and collects him actually stopping him with his long lead very rarely. She's also learned to read her dog well and in certain states of alertness it's become clear that he's scented game somewhere and she does something at very close quarters with him choosing not to risk the abscond until he's in a less heightened state of awareness......it's fascinating to watch them and they've made great strides since I first met them, very inspiring
Re: Lovely Chocolate Charlie [quote author=bbrown link=topic=4619.msg63048#msg63048 date=1395607665] There's an HPR that wears one at our class and he does literally wear it all through class and has done for many months. He wears it hunting and it runs through the cover, trees, undergrowth etc and he wears it for retrieves too. His owner is very careful not to recall him when he's distracted or in his nose and she goes to within long lead distance and collects him actually stopping him with his long lead very rarely. She's also learned to read her dog well and in certain states of alertness it's become clear that he's scented game somewhere and she does something at very close quarters with him choosing not to risk the abscond until he's in a less heightened state of awareness......it's fascinating to watch them and they've made great strides since I first met them, very inspiring [/quote] Yes! That's the kind of thing. I'm in 2 minds now...half of me is hoping that with a few reminders, Charlie's good pre-teen recall will come flooding back and I don't need to go to this kind of programme. The other half is saying "yeah, right, since when did not training a dog for 7 months, and frustrating him to the point he is mad to get to other dogs, give you good results?".
Re: Lovely Chocolate Charlie If in doubt, assume the second If the first is in fact true, you'll fly through it. If the second is true you will be glad you decided to go back to basics.
Re: Lovely Chocolate Charlie [quote author=Oberon link=topic=4619.msg63055#msg63055 date=1395608618] If in doubt, assume the second If the first is in fact true, you'll fly through it. If the second is true you will be glad you decided to go back to basics. [/quote] Good advice
Re: Lovely Chocolate Charlie The trouble is that dogs always know when they are on long lines and know when they are not! If one is used then gradually cut lengths off it until there is only about 6" left.
Re: Lovely Chocolate Charlie [quote author=bbrown link=topic=4619.msg63057#msg63057 date=1395608927] [quote author=Oberon link=topic=4619.msg63055#msg63055 date=1395608618] If in doubt, assume the second If the first is in fact true, you'll fly through it. If the second is true you will be glad you decided to go back to basics. [/quote] Good advice [/quote] It is - and I'm not sure the long line should be part of plan A. But that just might because I think "oh no, it can't take that long / be that hard...". Hmmm. Usually when I think that, it is that hard, and does take that long...
Re: Lovely Chocolate Charlie [quote author=Stacia link=topic=4619.msg63058#msg63058 date=1395609082] The trouble is that dogs always know when they are on long lines and know when they are not! [/quote] Yes! Agree with this entirely! Clare
Re: Lovely Chocolate Charlie Charlie has been on a long line most of his life 100% of the time, he must know he is on it. Like the HPR in Barbara's class, Charlie is on his in the woods and for retrieving his ball in covered ground and on tracks, we never recall him when he is distracted, he gets tangled sometimes but that's the pay off for giving him some freedom to learn recall. We only ever stepped on the line if his body language told us he was getting ready to 'go' we very rarely have to stand on it now and just wait until he is near and pick it up so he is not always getting total freedom. You might only need it for a few weeks to kick start your Charlie's recall Julie as it was so good before his injury. For an absconder it's a life saver although annoying : Our Charlie would never have learnt recall at all without the long line and for the last 3 days Charlie has bimbled along beside David in the woods and within 20 ish meter distance from him, so not sure he knows he is still on the long line and when our trainer feels it's time we will start cutting it shorter.
Re: Lovely Chocolate Charlie I do think your Charlie is an exception and without it he would have had no freedom being a serial absconder
Re: Lovely Chocolate Charlie It's THURSDAY hooray. Pick up on Saturday this week though. Boo. 36 hours....
Re: Lovely Chocolate Charlie Have a lovely time with Charlie this weekend Julie and I hope he has progressed heaps more xxx Give Charlie a big hug from me x
Re: Lovely Chocolate Charlie As the weekend approaches, I get a headache thinking about how long left before I have him with me. Pathetic, I suppose, but that's just the way it is. I've just got his progress report in advance of getting him back for the weekend tomorrow. This week we started walking in the water treadmill and we are having to work at reduced speed and duration compared with pre op. Charlie is moving well with support but tiring quickly. – which shows the treadmill is a challenge for him and will be beneficial to help increase muscle bulk and strength more than walking alone. Each treadmill this week he has shown improvement. XXX saw him for a physio consult yesterday and is pleased with progress – he has regained full range of motion in his stifle. His walks have now increased to 2 x 10 mins and 3 x 15 mins per day. He could probably do more but we have held back while re-introducing walking in the water treadmill. Next week we will go to 5 x 15 minutes per day. So, sounding good, particularly the full range of motion already (at 4.5 weeks post op). Don't know if I'll be able to do 5 x 15 minute walks this weekend - I'll have to ask. But if he can have some 15 minute walks at least we might try the park. Yippee!
Re: Lovely Chocolate Charlie That's such great news Julie. Have a wonderful weekend - you and Chocolate Charlie both deserve it. xx
