Probiotics/bright orange diarrhoea/losing the plot..

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High doses of panacur is the treatment for Giardia, just starting ours today, under vet's instructions after poo samples showed she had it. Other wormers don't help. You should be disinfecting too.

 

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Pretty sure it's only panacur that treats giardia, I don't know that regular wormers can prevent against it unless you used panacur on a regular basis.

I would definitely be going back to my vet and making them test a stool sample, if they won't do it, find one who will, as you can't really move forward with treatment once this has been done - even if it's to rule out those possibilities.

Edited to add: giardia can be tricky to get rid of sometimes as well, you may need a second round of treatment - make sure they do a stool sample once the treatment has finished to confirm whether it's gone or not. You will also need to thoroughly disinfect all her bedding, toys etc and where she has a poo so she doesn't reinfect herself - if she does have it.

 

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I looked into giardia when my two had campylobacter it's similar symptoms.

Panacur I think is the only wormer that treats it and I think it's quite a long course. I think it can also be difficult to test for giardia as it's not always present in every sample taken. They do tend to get it from dirty water.

I'd take a sample in tell reception you want it tested for giardia and all other bugs as well. There's no reason why you need to see a vet to take a sample to be tested unless you want Vespa checked again and to really specify a giardia test. It can take a week for results because cultures have to be developed.

Good luck I hope they find the problem then she can get the right treatment ASAP.

 

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Thanks for the advice. I like the idea of just taking the sample in and not taking vespa. I had no idea it was so infectious. Might have to chuck some things out.
Thanks a lot.

 

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I just took a sample in but having arranged to talk to the senior vet that I've always been happy with he was called away to do surgery in another practice. The receptionist took the sample pretty reluctantly and said the vet would call me back and discuss 'if' he wanted to send the sample away. Should insist? I asked for giardia and campylobacter and she just said 'well that's up to the vet'. Oh well. I guess they know best.

Just one more thing-re disinfecting everywhere-should I throw out Vespa's soft bedding that doesn't do tin the wash? Should I throw out anything else? Thanks.

 

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Oh well. I guess they know best.
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I'd be looking for a new vet, to be honest. Your dog is sick, it sounds like it's being going on for a while, and you need those test for bugs done.

 

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It is up to the vet but if you're not happy that they're doing all they can to get t the bottom of this it is up to you if you use that vet or find another. I'd want a very good reason why they think the tests aren't of value or I'd be off somewhere else.

You've taken the sample, what harm does it do to get it tested and it could count possible causes in or out. I see absolutely no downside to them sending the sample off for testing.

 

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Personally I would insist on a test unless they can give you a very good reason why not. The fact that they dont seem to have any idea what is wrong with Vespa would suggest to me that they don't have a good reason not to have a sample tested.

Also you are paying for the test (not cheap I'm afraid :-\) so if you want the test done than it should be done. Even if it comes back negative for everything I wouldn't see it as a waste of money it's eliminated possibilities.

I changed vets when my dogs were two because although I'd been with my vets for 17 years too many mistakes were made in the last few years of my old dog and the first two of Scott and Scout. I know one mistake caused S&S fear of strangers.

I think vets do an amazing job but if your not happy with the vet your with and there is another veterinary surgery near its easy to change.

 

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Thanks folks. Still waiting for the vet to call me back. I think they close at 5 so should be soon I hope.

 

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Has the vet phoned you yet?

I'm sorry but I don't like the sound of your vet. They don't seem to have the right attitude that I would want from someone looking after my beloved pet. You wouldn't take that sort of attitude from you doctor. I would be at least threatening to find another vet who will take my concerns seriously, if not actively looking. And I don't mean another vet at that practice (or chain of practices) I would be off somewhere different entirely.

At the very base of it you are the one paying for the sample to be tested, they are a business trying to make money. It's in their interest to do what you ask them. What harm is it going to do?

 

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Nope no phone call yet. Maybe they close later on a Wednesday..?
I'm sure they're very busy. Maybe I'll have to take Vespa in again tomorrow; it just seemed simpler to do it over the phone or just a chat at reception since Vespa is doing ok, not dehydrated etc and after the last appointment when they started trying to flog me pheromone collars. I have vaguely looked at other vets. It would be a shame as when V was a puppy they were great with her and she hasn't really been since..I'd really like a vet who at least tolerates raw feeding and a practice where I can try and see the same person each time so Vespa can build up a bit of trust etc.

Actually right now I'd just like to know what to give a very hungry Vespa for dinner since everything I've tried just comes straight out of the other end. :-/

 

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I had to wait until nearly 7 last week for my call back. I can empathise as my pup has had the medicine today but chucked it up with her lunch 4 hours later. You could call back and ask when they close; it might be 7.

 

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What are you feeding her? Kibble?

Since chicken and rice doesn't help, and in the absence of advice from your vet, I'd try Royal Canin SC 21 - duck and tapioca. And absolutely nothing else at all. You can sometimes buy it from pets at home, Amazon do next day delivery. Most vets sell it...

That's all I can think of to suggest.

Best of luck with it.

 

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Yes, perhaps try and get hold of some royal canin sensitivity control or hill's I/d meat as this is what the vet would give you for a longer term solution. I always keep a few tins handy just in case.

 

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I am still using Hills I/d prescription diet kibble.

 

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Really annoyed.
Rang them at 6.30 or something-we're open till 7-he'll call you. Waited till then-no call-rang again-closed. Aaaaargggghhhh

 

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Jeepers. I would be annoyed, too.

 

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I am a bit. That's after two calls and a visit already earlier today. If they'd just said 'no the vet cannot talk to you please make an appointment for later this week' at least I'd have known where I stood but they kept saying 'he'll talk to you in ten minutes. Call again at 1.30. Come back later. Ring later. He'll call you in half an hour' etc. Insert expletive. My dog is ill and I just want some #^#>#€!# advice and to know that her sample is going to be tested this time instead of thrown in the bin. Is that really too much to ask?!

 

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I'd be really angry and definitely changing vets. Hope you can get some help for Vespa soon.

 

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I went through months of problems with Harley when she was younger. My vets gave me one lot of antibiotics to try. A week after she finished them she still had diarrhoea so I asked them to do a stool sample - they suggested also doing bloods which I agreed to. We ended up doing 3 stool samples and one set of bloods over a 3 month period before we found out she was wheat intolerant.
I would be insisting my vets do the tests unless they had a very good reason why they shouldn't. At the end of the day it is your dog suffering and you are paying for the service! Good luck