Re: Sick from too many veggies No blockage in his tummy, so it's the meds or a bug. He was still heaving when we got to the vet, so they gave him an injection, plus some probiotic paste stuff, plus some zantac tablets for a few days. No food tonight for him. We're taking him off all the meds for a week and see how he goes. Although the vet said that he is definitely going to be in pain without the painkillers. So that's a difficult one. Vet doesn't really seem to agree with the surgeon that keeping Charlie on meds for 2 months is problematic. Great. So I'll have to worry about that then. Ear infection back, just to add to the fun. More eardrops. Charlie is 0.5kg lighter, which the vet said is good, given that Charlie is growing, this means he is getting thiner. So we'll keep on as we are. He wasn't happy to say that Charlie could have more walks or any other weight bearing exercise, so we'll have to hope for hydro. Karen, it would be good for him to swim outside, but I'd have to swim with him. He cannot be let off a short lead at all for the risk he sees a cat or another dog and goes tearing off smashing up his leg more on the unstable joint, he is not even allowed on a long one where he might build up any speed. Not even in the garden off lead. I'll think about raw food. I know it might be sensible, but I'm not confident about what to feed, how much and so on. In order to be comfortable with it, I'd have to read up. Maybe I'll get chance to do that over Christmas. I'm a bit worried about balanced nutrition if the amount of food is really low. So I'd want to get it right.
Re: Sick from too many veggies [quote author=JulieT link=topic=3723.msg42200#msg42200 date=1387541419] We're taking him off all the meds for a week and see how he goes. Although the vet said that he is definitely going to be in pain without the painkillers. So that's a difficult one. Vet doesn't really seem to agree with the surgeon that keeping Charlie on meds for 2 months is problematic. Great. So I'll have to worry about that then. [/quote] I know you won't like to think of him being uncomfortable, but this might have the effect of helping him stay calmer... If the meds have been masking how he really feels, he's been wanting to run and play. No, it doesn't help that your vet and surgeon don't agree over the duration of taking the meds, but unfortunately asking for a third opinion would only get you exactly that - a third opinion. It's tough, and it's not fair on you or Charlie - but as the others have said, eventually it will be behind you. Wish there was something more useful we could do other than send sympathy - Brew says that after the choc boy we met this morning, Charlie is positively svelte! Clare
Re: Sick from too many veggies Sorry Julie, only just read all of this . What a trial you are all having , my thoughts are with you and yes, as said before , one day all will be well , Charlie will be running free again and you can relax , take care xx
Re: Sick from too many veggies Oh Julie,what a trial,I'm just on my way out so have read that he's ok tummy wise but haven't got time to comment properly on the rest of your post I'll check in tomorrow,you sound really fed up and no wonder,big hug xxx
Re: Sick from too many veggies [quote author=ClareJ link=topic=3723.msg42207#msg42207 date=1387543226] I know you won't like to think of him being uncomfortable, but this might have the effect of helping him stay calmer... [/quote] Maybe..... :-\ He is so full of fun and energy - which although I pretend to moan about the little hooligan, I absolutely loved every second of it. It's a pain to control now, but I hope he doesn't change. Just want my jet propelled puppy back, just want to see him race out for his dummy again so fast he goes head over heels because he can't stop. :'( :'( :'( Ahem. Sorry, pull myself together and take him for another walk around the block. :
Re: Sick from too many veggies I'm so sorry Julie. Charlie really is in the wars at the moment. It never rains but it pours as the saying goes. I know it doesn't really help and lots have already said it but he will get better and back to normal. Take one day at a time and it will soon pass. Take care of yourself Julie aswell as Charlie Jen
Re: Sick from too many veggies [quote author=JulieT link=topic=3723.msg42217#msg42217 date=1387548942] Just want my jet propelled puppy back, just want to see him race out for his dummy again so fast he goes head over heels because he can't stop. :'( :'( :'( [/quote] He will be a proper hooligan again soon. Honest. With extra jet propulsion to make up for lost time. Sending hugs your way xx Clare
Re: Sick from too many veggies [quote author=JulieT link=topic=3723.msg42217#msg42217 date=1387548942] Maybe..... :-\ He is so full of fun and energy - which although I pretend to moan about the little hooligan, I absolutely loved every second of it. It's a pain to control now, but I hope he doesn't change. Just want my jet propelled puppy back, just want to see him race out for his dummy again so fast he goes head over heels because he can't stop. :'( :'( :'( Ahem. Sorry, pull myself together and take him for another walk around the block. : I so completely feel your pain. Tarka is an incredibly fit and active dog and having to simply stop all exercise for weeks has been hell. It's what she lives for. I'm not entirely sure I haven't suffered more than her because one of the great pleasures in my life is to watch her run at full tilt back to me with a huge grin on her face and boy, is she fast. But, the weeks of rest for us are passing, the rehab is ongoing and she is improving every day and so it will be with Charlie. Looking forward to your future posts entitled "Return of the Hooligan"...... [/quote]
Re: Sick from too many veggies Thanks all - just a bad day, with vomiting puppy, work and family hell - and I've just realised it's Christmas next week. I've pulled myself together, and in a break from work, installed his new martial arts gym mat flooring and put his new pen together. It looks very posh. It'll probably look awful when it's covered in mud and kong debris, but right now, it looks great. Always helps to go do something useful for a bit.
Re: Sick from too many veggies Oh I so feel for you, and completely understand how you must be feeling...I love seeing my dogs hooning around ( brods sounds just like charlie when he is dummy retrieving) and we have had a few weeks of total run and fun bans for both of them in the past and it was hideous. but not anything like what you and lovely charlie are going through...he will be back to his wild and goony self though, itseems ages away now but you will soon be posting about his wild hooligantary again. Sending much empathy and ear rubs for Charlie
Re: Sick from too many veggies Totally understand that it's getting you down.... You'll get your hooligan back, don't you worry about that!
Re: Sick from too many veggies Oh dear, trouble upon trouble.... It will pass, and things will get better. In the meantime, each step and day at a time. I can chime in on something that I actually DO have some experience in...the on-lead walk. I am in much the same situation as Angela. The vast majority of the walks I have had with Simba have been on-lead, as we really haven't felt that we could trust him off lead until a couple months ago, which is when we got our big dump of snow and it got really cold. Limiting on options of where to go off-lead very considerably. So, on lead it is. And yes, I totally feel your pain about the "stop and sniff" phenomena. I was starting to get rather fed up with it all, especially since I couldn't seem to get him to listen to a clicker, etc while he's on a walk. But, I'm coming to a bit of an epiphany. The majority of my walks are myself and the dog, except for our nightly stroll my hubby often comes, and when he does, Mark holds the lead. It gives me a break from having to physically pull him away from enticing smells, etc. But it seemed to me that Mark doesn't have to do the "pull" as often as I do. In other words, Simba doesn't stop as often when Mark is holding the leash as when I do. Why? Well, my theory is because Mark doesn't let him. He knows that when Dad is holding the leash, sniffing is not tolerated for long, so he just does the quick "walk-by" sniff, not the "plant your feet and make the human drag me away" sniff. I think I have been the product of my own downfall. You see, when we first got him and realized that we could not take him on off-lead walks, I felt bad for him and allowed him to sniff,etc as long and as much as he wanted on walks. So, of course, he took full advantage of it. I have started not allowing as many sniffing sessions, and guess what? He doesn't do the "linger sniff" nearly as much. So....try that with Charlie. You might find that he gets much easier to walk, and that you can keep the brisk pace up easier. And I don't know exactly what your on-lead walks need to look like to keep a dog fit. Honestly, Simba's three walks a day are basically the only exercise he gets, barring a couple wanders out in the yard every day and the sadly- curtailed trips to the dog park. I'm very careful about how much food he gets. The vet pronounced him fit and fine last month. Do I think he could get more exercise? Absolutely. But until things warm up and melt here he just can't get it. Nothing I can do about it, so we cope. And honestly, he doesn't seem to mind.
Re: Sick from too many veggies I agree with Lisa. On the other hand, sniffing is good mental exercise. I'm not saying you should encourage the sniffing, but just that it's playing its part in wearing Charlie out I personally am pro-sniffing, but I don't want to stand there forever so we allow short sniffs and move on when I say - pretty much like Lisa's approach is now.
Re: Sick from too many veggies Thanks Lisa, how long/far are Simba's 3 walks? It would make me feel better to know how much you do when I know you have Simba slim and fit. I know he will be, but because I've never done it, I'm having to make myself believe it's possible for a dog to stay fit on lead walks. It must be, as loads of people seem to do it. I was feeling better, until puppy vomited up the walk treats on the new flooring I have just installed. Right, glass of wine, early night. Tomorrow is another day.
Re: Sick from too many veggies Just catching up Julie. Sorry you are having all this stress and worry. In these winter months we average 2x 30-35 minute on "long-lead" walks a day - lost the confidence lately to let her off the lead in the dark...too much potential wild-life around when we are walking. I wouldn't say Lilly is fit, though she is fast undoubtedly, I feel her hip muscles aren't as well developed as they could be - hence the hydrotherapy. And she is nice and slim - we give her around 100-120g dry food twice daily, an 80:20 meat/fish:fruit/veg one. OH feeds her half her body weight in gravy bones at bedtime though ( :...ok, I exaggerate a little) I really do hope Charlie's tummy settles.....neither of you deserve more stress and upset xxx
Re: Sick from too many veggies Thanks Jac, that's comforting. Thanks for writing. I've been cleaning up puppy poo and sick all evening - back to the vet if this doesn't improve. Work getting worse with a new demanding deadline on Christmas Eve. I need to work every minute to get it done. Have just found out that I have the whole family coming for Christmas (as sick person is in London and all are now coming to me). I don't have a tree, nothing, not even a bit of tinsel. Everything Christmassey is in Cornwall. Feeling slightly like I'm failing to cope...I love all individual members of my family dearly. I'm not so keen on them together. Oh god. I'll have to cook a turkey. Will I get one now? How do you cook a turkey anyway? I know, I'll go to bed. And when I wake up it will all just have been a dream....
Re: Sick from too many veggies Oh dear. I hope your family will all help you out - maybe they could bring their turkey and trimmings? And do the cooking. And washing up. I'm sure they would be happy to help since you are being so accommodating in the last minute arrangements. I bet you just feel like running off to Cornwall and hiding right now....... Deep breaths, large glasses of wine.... Good nights sleep. Come and moan to us whenever you need xxx
Re: Sick from too many veggies Why not just roast a bunch of chickens if a turkey is a bit hard to come by. Stuff them with sausages - easy and tasty. Go for accumulated quantity Assign everything else to selected guests. Still, it all needs thought and it's not what you need when you have a deadline Bugger the Christmas decs. Or else get someone to buy tinsel and come early to put it up. For a tree, get a pot plant from the garden, cut a star out of cardboard, cover it in aluminium foil, tape it to a stick and shove it in the pot.
Re: Sick from too many veggies Ok. No dream then. Yes, indeed, chickens if no turkey. I have a duck (which is what we eat when it's just us). Maybe I'll just get another duck. Don't like turkey anyway. I'm not doing anything about a tree. I'll go buy flowers, I have a yew and holly hedge, so can cut some of that, and that'll be it decoration wise. Ok. Puppy had a poo in his pen again last night - well, a puddle of liquid poo. Poor boy. I'll have to get up in the night to check that he doesn't need to go out tonight.
Re: Sick from too many veggies Oh dear, poor you and poor Charlie Been a bit of a slog of late..... Real holly is perfect and better than anything you could buy. Two ducks sounds like a plan. Then you can bung them in the oven together and they can have the same treatment.
