Charlie seems to find the stop whistle difficult unless there is a barrier, i.e. gate, stile, hedge etc. If out on a walk the stop whistle is blown to he doesn't stop or walks towards us, we have do the taking a step towards him, hand signal, verbal sit. Any ideas please as I have been trying to train this for 10 months Thanks x
Re: Stop Whistle Issue You might have tried this Helen, but what about one of you at his end of the training line whilst one of you is holding the line . The one holding ( controlling the line ) gives the stop whistle and the other one with Charlie stops dead and makes him do the same at the same time ? This is probably a ridiculous suggestion, sorry, but its all I can think of x
Re: Stop Whistle Issue I teach the stop whistle when feeding, show the dog the food bowl and give the sit command blow the stop whistle. (done from 12 weeks old) When walking on a lead, stop and give the sit command blow the whistle. This will have to be done over a number of weeks they finally get the message. Try rewarding with a treat at first then they can phased out. Then move on to the dog being a couple of yards away and blow the stop whistle, if it stops? approach it and verbally reward. If not go back to on lead stops.
Re: Stop Whistle Issue [quote author=Indy link=topic=6206.msg81261#msg81261 date=1400947700] I teach the stop whistle when feeding, show the dog the food bowl and give the sit command blow the stop whistle. (done from 12 weeks old) When walking on a lead, stop and give the sit command blow the whistle. This will have to be done over a number of weeks they finally get the message. Try rewarding with a treat at first then they can phased out. Then move on to the dog being a couple of yards away and blow the stop whistle, if it stops? approach it and verbally reward. If not go back to on lead stops. [/quote] Charlie is 3 1/2 years and a rescue dog. We have done all you suggest and still no joy He can do a 18 meter stop with a pretend throw of a ball in our drive with a hedge at the end but that's where it ends. Thanks Kate, I have stepped on the training line and believe me I have tried everything : x
Re: Stop Whistle Issue Wouldn't you have to do what you did in the garden to get to 18m, but not in the garden? I mean go back to the first step (or wherever works not in the garden) and build back up from there. So what can Charlie do outside the garden without a barrier? And your next step is from that point. If it's absolutely nothing, then wouldn't you have to start at zero outside the garden, with stops on a lead as Indy says?
Re: Stop Whistle Issue [quote author=JulieT link=topic=6206.msg81275#msg81275 date=1400948573] So what can Charlie do outside the garden without a barrier? [/quote] NOTHING And your next step is from that point. If it's absolutely nothing, then wouldn't you have to start at zero outside the garden, with stops on a lead as Indy says? [/quote] We are doing stops on a lead.
Re: Stop Whistle Issue [quote author=charlie link=topic=6206.msg81279#msg81279 date=1400948844] [quote author=JulieT link=topic=6206.msg81275#msg81275 date=1400948573] So what can Charlie do outside the garden without a barrier? [/quote] NOTHING We are doing stops on a lead. [/quote] That seems to be the right thing to do then. I don't think it's unusual to have to do this when you move training to a new location or change something else - it's maybe not unexpected Charlie won't do stop whistle out of the garden if all his training has been in it? On the place board thread, Heidrun said she goes all the way back to the first step in the garden when she removes the board, for example.
Re: Stop Whistle Issue We have been very gradually moving the stop whistle training from the house to the garden, at road sides, stiles, gates, just inside the park etc. nothing seems to get through to him no matter how tiny the steps are :-\
Re: Stop Whistle Issue He won't sit on a lead to the stop whistle outside the garden? I guess you have to go back even one more step then, right back to the very first association of stop whistle with sit, outside the garden.
Re: Stop Whistle Issue [quote author=JulieT link=topic=6206.msg81286#msg81286 date=1400949627] He won't sit on a lead to the stop whistle outside the garden? [/quote] Yes he will stop outside the garden on lead at road sides, gates, stiles etc. BUT he won't stop on lead on field tracks etc during his walk. This just seems odd to me :-\
Re: Stop Whistle Issue I suppose he just hasn't got that the stop whistle means sit in a field when there isn't something to prompt him, I guess? So yes, as you say, back to the first step in a field - stop whistle means sit.
Re: Stop Whistle Issue We use verbal 'sit' and hand signal aswell as the whistle, so we just keep going and hope it eventually sinks in :
Re: Stop Whistle Issue Well he's definitely not the worlds most enthusiastic retriever :. About a month ago he lost interest so we gave him a break for a few weeks then he had a sore foot so was on rest as prescribed by our vet. 3 days ago I started clicker training the retrieve as per Pippa's article and today he went on a walk and showed interest in a large Kong squeeky ball but was only allowed 2 retrieves. His retrieving has been very difficult to build up
Re: Stop Whistle Issue [quote author=Indy link=topic=6206.msg81314#msg81314 date=1400952820] Can Charlie retrieve? [/quote] Oops! Sue, we might need to gloss over that one.... another battle for Helen and Charlie. Have you worked through the sit on lead when walking video that Pippa did? I think it was the first stop whistle video? And taken that out to your track?
Re: Stop Whistle Issue [quote author=drjs@5 link=topic=6206.msg81319#msg81319 date=1400953263] [quote author=Indy link=topic=6206.msg81314#msg81314 date=1400952820] Can Charlie retrieve? [/quote] Oops! Sue, we might need to gloss over that one.... another battle for Helen and Charlie. Have you worked through the sit on lead when walking video that Pippa did? I think it was the first stop whistle video? And taken that out to your track? [/quote] I have to be honest and say no I didn't work through that only because the finer details aren't what I am after, I just need good brakes for Charlie for obvious reasons Jac is right Sue, Charlie has been one battle after another
Re: Stop Whistle Issue OK, Oh well can't suggest what I had thought of to help then. :'( As Julie suggests you will just have persevere with the lead walking stop whistle in every environment, give the verbal and the stop whistle. I like include the raised hand stop signal as well, because that is the signal the dog gets at distance along with the stop whistle. It sounds easy, but with an older dog it might take a while longer and to be honest will not be 100%.
Re: Stop Whistle Issue [quote author=Indy link=topic=6206.msg81323#msg81323 date=1400953738] OK, Oh well can't suggest what I had thought of to help then. :'( As Julie suggests you will just have persevere with the lead walking stop whistle in every environment, give the verbal and the stop whistle. I like include the raised hand stop signal as well, because that is the signal the dog gets at distance along with the stop whistle. It sounds easy, but with an older dog it might take a while longer and to be honest will not be 100%. [/quote] Thanks Sue, we will keep practising in every environment. What were you going to suggest out of interest?
Re: Stop Whistle Issue Sorry Helen, it would not be good idea unless the dog was extra keen on retrieving.
Re: Stop Whistle Issue [quote author=Indy link=topic=6206.msg81327#msg81327 date=1400954112] Sorry Helen, it would not be good idea unless the dog was extra keen on retrieving. [/quote] OK when he is I will come back to you : Thanks
