Re: Training Hattie the Turn Whistle :/ [quote author=charlie link=topic=8030.msg113231#msg113231 date=1411892632] I find it difficult to see how I can even begin to get started with this and not confuse him into a new recall. I really can't get my head round this, sorry [/quote] Are you sure you want to do it at all? I mean, I found it a fun thing to teach, and really useful, but you do perhaps need to see the point of it, I guess. How do you think you might use it once you have trained it? [quote author=charlie link=topic=8030.msg113231#msg113231 date=1411892632] a 'turn' doesn't give which way to turn the dog or does it? [/quote] My Charlie's turn is a 180 degree turn, although I'm not too fussy or precise about that. It just means "turn around". [quote author=charlie link=topic=8030.msg113231#msg113231 date=1411892632] The dog is not supposed to return to you for a treat but a ball is OK [/quote] The ball is thrown - in the new direction. So Charlie finds it as a reward once he is running the other way, he doesn't come to me to get the ball.
Re: Training Hattie the Turn Whistle :/ I see the point of it Julie, just can't see how to get started. I would like to train it if possible and I do find it fun especially as he is such a challenge, I believe it would be useful for Charlie. I would use it in situations when Charlie goes a little rangy so instead of ending his interest I can re-direct him and he can continue, therefore not using the recall command and having control of him. So no treats are used, the reward is being allowed to continue running :-\
Re: Training Hattie the Turn Whistle :/ I think it's worthwhile, after my stop it's my strongest cue - stronger than my recall. I don't know how to train it without treats or a ball and with a dog who isn't following your change of direction anyway....(I assume if your Charlie is ranging out to 300m, he isn't doing that) maybe Heidrun will be able to write something tomorrow.
Re: Training Hattie the Turn Whistle :/ He isn't always ranging, after the initial burst he does mooch and is watching us and will follow our change of direction especially in the woods
Re: Training Hattie the Turn Whistle :/ If you can run and he will follow you then you could try running....when he gets to you and over shoots you peep and turn the other way. He follows again, when he gets to you and overshoots you peep and turn. So what happens is you set the pattern. Eventually you should travel less and less....Pippa has described this better in one of her articles but I'm on my phone now. I'll check for it later
Re: Training Hattie the Turn Whistle :/ Helen, I have thought about this for a couple of days and I think the turn whistle in the pure sense as used in quartering is not really what you want for Charlie. It is used in a different context than calling a dog away from something into another direction. But I won't go into the technical details of quartering patterns and use of turn whistle, because people's eyes will glaze over. ;D I would just carry on practicing the recall, reward, and then releasing him again, so that the recall is not seen as something 'punishing' by Charlie. The other thing you could possibly train is a 'come this way' cue. ;D
Re: Training Hattie the Turn Whistle :/ Heidrun, thank you for taking the time to think about this for me I appreciate it. We will carry on as we are with practising the recall which is going really well, Charlie applies his brakes well and returns then to be released again as you say. We already do the 'lets go' or 'this way' again this works well. We will leave quatering to the pro's as you may as well be talking in Russian as far as I'm concerned I do think Barbara's suggestion is good and easy enough for us, do you think maybe it would be useful for Charlie and help him in certain situations instead of a recall? x
Re: Training Hattie the Turn Whistle :/ Helen, I only ever use the turn whistle in the context of hunting (quartering) . I have always been taught that when hunting a dog one should try and maintain contact with the dog as if it was on an invisible lead. To me the turn whistle is like a little tug on that invisible lead. If the dog goes too far out at either side or in front a pip on the turn whistle means turn and hunt across me or turn and hunt back towards me. I watch every move the dog makes and if I think he is just a stride or two out of range I will use the turn whistle. I don't use it on a casual walk to get the dog to turn away from something, and I think that's how you are planning to use it. You might have seen this clip of Murffi quartering before. But this is how I use the turn whistle. http://youtu.be/GoQJg45Ezyg
Re: Training Hattie the Turn Whistle :/ My flash is out of date so will sort it out so I can't see Murffi at work I understand and will keep things as they are Thank you xx
Re: Training Hattie the Turn Whistle :/ Just watched Murffi in action, oh my word does he ever slow down? he makes Charlie look sedated ;D Ok, I totally get it and won't be giving that a go any time soon Thank you so much xx
Re: Training Hattie the Turn Whistle :/ [quote author=charlie link=topic=8030.msg114301#msg114301 date=1412252525] Just watched Murffi in action, oh my word does he ever slow down? [/quote] I've seen Murffi in real life and the answer to that Helen is NO!!!!!!!
Re: Training Hattie the Turn Whistle :/ [quote author=charlie link=topic=8030.msg114301#msg114301 date=1412252525] Just watched Murffi in action, oh my word does he ever slow down? he makes Charlie look sedated ;D Ok, I totally get it and won't be giving that a go any time soon Thank you so much xx [/quote] That's his cruising speed. He can go up a couple of gears when game is involved! ;D
Re: Training Hattie the Turn Whistle :/ That boy is fast , lovely to watch, makes Sam look like a sloth
