weight for a 2 1/2 year old black Lab

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  1. puppy mom

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    I took her to a class when she was about a year and half. she was so out of control and I struggled even handling her. She still has times when she just won't follow directions. I still have trouble with her jumping up on people and she just won't leave them alone. she has done much better with this collar, she knows that when I say no or stop ,she now knows I mean what I say. It may look like this collar isn't acceptable but when you can't control her and she won't follow directions, I need something which shows her she needs to follow directions. Believe me I tried several other collars and none worked. I know not many agree with using this collar, but I can control her behavior much better and she isn't being hurt.
     
  2. J.D

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    Unfortunately your trainer has encouraged you to train through fear rather than positive reinforcement and rewards. You say she isn’t being hurt but she must either be being hurt or she knows the collar will hurt from the first time it was used. She is doing what you want out of fear.
    I’m sure if this was put on a different thread others would pick it up and a whole debate would open.
     
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  3. Ruth Buckley

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    Prong collars are considered more acceptable in the US than here in the UK. They're aren't illegal here (yet) but they are rare and most people would be horrified if they saw one in use.
    There are so many alternatives to using something that causes so much pain and damage to your relationship with your dog, it's such a shame you have been given such poor advice. A harness with a front clip worked brilliantly for us inconjuncion with lots and lots of training with treats. Other people swear by head collars. I do think the main issue is training though - they don't instinctively know what we want them to do and it takes some dogs much longer than others to get the nessage.
    I can't help thinking the root of the problem might be the same as the weight issue - big energetic dogs need regular off lead exercise. Mine would be unbearable if he didn't get a good run at least twice a day.
     
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  4. puppy mom

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    I understand that in the UK prong collars are not as acceptable as in the US. I have changed her photo with the other collar which I do use. She is now two years and 11months old. when I first began training with her I bought a harness with a front clip which did nothing , in fact it was thought maybe it wasn't measured correctly and I then reordered a new one. This one wasn't any different than the first. This company was very fair in helping me, trying to get the issue taken care of. I tried once again, and this time the dog was able to back right out of the harness! I then tried another trainer and a training method with a regular collar. This lasted for almost 8 moths, and she did do well. I believe that a lot of my training issues were due to my lack of knowledge of how to complete training . I still have trouble with her with being anxious at the Vet, around people, jumping up and not following my directions. when she and I are together is doesn't have these issues. I have continued to work with her, trying to use positive training. She is a very loving companion and she has never ever showed any aggression at any time. I am working with her on her weight and the exercise which she needs. I see that the exercise she gets is important to her health and happiness. I Love her and I have never hurt her to make her do anything. If a product were illegal it wouldn't be able to be sold either here or anywhere else.
     
  5. Jo Laurens

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    There are many countries where ecollars are illegal.

    It was once legal to own people, in slavery.

    Clearly something being legal and something being right, good or morally acceptable are two different things.

    It is hoped people can rise above what is 'legal' when considering how to train their best friends and family members.

    Using pain and fear to train her certainly isn't going to help her anxiety. The opposite:

    "Because punishment was associated with an increased incidence of problematic behaviours, we conclude that it may represent a welfare concern without concurrent benefits in obedience. We suggest that positive training methods may be more useful to the pet-owning community." http://dogscouts.org/base/tonto-site/uploads/2014/10/620_art_training_methods.pdf

    "In conclusion, those working with or handling dogs should rely on positive reinforcement methods and avoid using positive punishment and negative reinforcement as much as possible." https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1558787817300357

    And so on... I can't believe it's 2019 and we are still having to explain to people why scaring or hurting their dog is a bad idea and has considerable fallout.
     
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